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Pronger84 said:
Becayse a defenceman's job is twofold 1) To seperate the oppositon from the puck 2) Transition the puck up to the forwards.
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You just made Mindz's argument for him, you realize?

1) If the opposition doesn't have the puck in the first place because you are constantly maintaining possession, that's a good thing, not a negative (2) It's much easier to transition the puck up to forwards when you're not constantly turning over the puck because you lack mobility and puck-handling skills, thereby improving the odds of accomplishing the first goal.
 
JaysCyYoung said:
You just made Mindz's argument for him, you realize?

1) If the opposition doesn't have the puck in the first place because you are constantly maintaining possession, that's a good thing, not a negative (2) It's much easier to transition the puck up to forwards when you're not constantly turning over the puck because you lack mobility and puck-handling skills, thereby improving the odds of accomplishing the first goal.
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1. I never said it was a negative thing but there are going to be times (and with this Leaf team a lot of times) spent in the defensive end, if a blueliner can't seperate the other guy from the puck then he's really not doing his job.

2. Gardiner does have the speed to carry the puck up ice (its his key weapon) but he is prone to making horrible decisions with it such as icing the puck under pressure or turning it over.
 
Pronger84 said:
1. I never said it was a negative thing but there are going to be times (and with this Leaf team a lot of times) spent in the defensive end, if a blueliner can't seperate the other guy from the puck then he's really not doing his job.

2. Gardiner does have the speed to carry the puck up ice (its his key weapon) but he is prone to making horrible decisions with it such as icing the puck under pressure or turning it over.
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Holy Shit a proper quote
 
Pronger84 said:
1. I never said it was a negative thing but there are going to be times (and with this Leaf team a lot of times) spent in the defensive end, if a blueliner can't seperate the other guy from the puck then he's really not doing his job.

2. Gardiner does have the speed to carry the puck up ice (its his key weapon) but he is prone to making horrible decisions with it such as icing the puck under pressure or turning it over.
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Neither of which precludes the superior value that he has over pylons with limited mobility in Fraser / whatever muppet you want to slot in for 10 minutes a game that can't pass the puck.
 
JaysCyYoung said:
Neither of which precludes the superior value that he has over pylons with limited mobility in Fraser / whatever muppet you want to slot in for 10 minutes a game that can't pass the puck.
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Both play different roles so its kind of hard to compare them be like comparing Apples to Salad. Fraser outside of being good at clearing the net wasn't anything more then a depth player, Gleason does all that and more which is why Fraser currently is sitting in the pressbox.
 
Pronger84 said:
Both play different roles so its kind of hard to compare them be like comparing Apples to Salad. Fraser outside of being good at clearing the net wasn't anything more then a depth player, Gleason does all that and more which is why Fraser currently is sitting in the pressbox.
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The difference is that Gleason can skate and he's not a complete abortion when handling the puck. That's the point. You don't want a guy back there who "looks good" defensively, but who is in essence actually costing you possession time because they are too limited in the traditional qualities we associate with offensive skill.

But you seem to be arguing against that with your emphasis on defencemen playing purely defensively. Unless I missed something, this isn't the 1950s and it's more of an asset to have a guy who plays beyond the centre line.
 
Gleason gets the puck because he's usually in solid position defensively, not to many times do you see him getting danced around out there he tends to keep things simple. Gleason is solid because he thinks the game well, is always in position and uses sacfrices his body for the good of the team whether it be a hit or a shot block with his face.
 
Pronger84 said:
Gleason gets the puck because he's usually in solid position defensively, not to many times do you see him getting danced around out there he tends to keep things simple. Gleason is solid because he thinks the game well, is always in position and uses sacfrices his body for the good of the team whether it be a hit or a shot block with his face.
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How do you think Gleason is frequently able to get into superior position?

Hint: it's because he's a stellar skater. And he avoids trouble for the most part because he has the ability to make an effective outlet pass (an offensive skill that translates into defensive success).

The other team cannot score on you if they're constantly hemmed into their own end and don't have possession of the puck. You need a highly mobile and efficient defence group in order to accomplish that.

You're less likely to get scored on and score higher on defensive metrics in turn.
 
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