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GDT - Return of Reim Take 2

Depends on the season he has, if he exceeds his usual 30G/60Pts pace and is on, say, 35G/75pts pace by trade deadline, I think we can land a good young D / D prospect with JVR as the center piece of a trade.

He has 1 more season left, so he's not just a rental. He's also a former 2nd overall pick, and a youngish top 6 winger in this league.
 
btw, with Matthews and Bozak not at practice this morning, Nylander shifted to C at practice, and said afterwards if he is shifted back to the middle he thinks he'll have no problem adjusting to it.

Babs said don't count on Nylander playing C in tonight's game, but it is not something that's impossible by season's end. A lot depends on if they can trade Bozak. If we trade Bozak, split Nylander and Matthews, and bring up either Leipsic or Kapanen, I don't think we'd be much worse offensively (and may be better defensively)
 
With one year left on his deal Lucic was traded for a 1st, Jones and Miller. I think you are looking at something like that. IMO no one is giving up a blue chip 20 year old defensemen for a 27 year old, UFA to be JVR.

You'll get some good pieces though, and thats why you have to move him.
 
leafman101 said:
With one year left on his deal Lucic was traded for a 1st, Jones and Miller. I think you are looking at something like that. IMO no one is giving up a blue chip 20 year old defensemen for a 27 year old, UFA to be JVR.

You'll get some good pieces though, and thats why you have to move him.
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If we could get something like the return Boston got for Lucic, that would be amazing, considering that deal essentially turned into two 1st round picks, as well as "B-level" defense & forward prospects. Trading him for a young impact defenseman is a nice dream, but I agree that it's probably unlikely.

For all intents and purposes, JVR's already a rental, albeit one who still has more value than most owing to his lower cap hit this year & next.
 
If you're just going to get a pick and prospect, it's more worthwhile to scratch and claw the best deal to resign the guy.

If he was 29 or so, I wouldn't even think about it. But he's still a few years away from even hitting 30 and could be a core piece here.

It all comes down to the price for me. The price at which he'd resign and the price we'd get if we traded him. Whichever one is more favorable to us, that's what we should do.
 
tbh, I think JVR is worth more than lucic, as lucic had a poor year and his skating had become a liability....and they would have got more for him if they traded him at the previous deadline.

I don't think we could get a guy lkke lindholm one up for him, though. But i do think we might be able to get a prospect with that kind of upside.
 
zeke said:
tbh, I think JVR is worth more than lucic, as lucic had a poor year and his skating had become a liability....and they would have got more for him if they traded him at the previous deadline.

I don't think we could get a guy lkke lindholm one up for him, though. But i do think we might be able to get a prospect with that kind of upside.
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Yeah, but Lucic had the "Truculish, Stanley-Cup champion leader-bean with lots of playoff experience" thing going for him.

It's all bunk, of course, but I'm sure an old-school guy like Lombardi was willing to overpay for it.
 
Looking forward to see if the Leafs can continue with some good offensive output and how Reims responds to playing in front of the Leafs crowd at the ACC. Should be a real fun game to watch.
 
LeafOfFaith said:
If you're just going to get a pick and prospect, it's more worthwhile to scratch and claw the best deal to resign the guy.

If he was 29 or so, I wouldn't even think about it. But he's still a few years away from even hitting 30 and could be a core piece here.

It all comes down to the price for me. The price at which he'd resign and the price we'd get if we traded him. Whichever one is more favorable to us, that's what we should do.
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Well he'll be 28 this season so, he is 29 or so. Its almost a guarantee that the trade value is better. Thats the only reason why people are suggesting moving him.

Signing a guy that will be the teams 4th or 5th best forward to a 7-8 year big money deal is a cap killer. If he's willing to take a Kadri deal, great. But lets be honest here. Thats not happening.

If there is no cap, then yeah, you keep him. But there is. And managing the cap is a necessity to winning a cup. We don't want to be like Tampa, potentially losing one of our best players, because we signed Callahan when we didn't need to.
 
I don't think we should re-sign JVR and we should probably trade him at some point before he goes UFA... but every time I jot down potential lineups next year, I do think we're missing a guy who can slide into that spot on the LW.
 
Yeah you don't get better by losing JVR. Just like Chicago didn't get better by moving Byfuglien, Ladd, Saad etc.

Its just something you have to bite the bullet on. Take a step back now so that you are in a good position down the road. Its easier dealing with the situation now, then it is when you need to resign Matthews, Marner and Nylander and don't have cap space.
 
Marner
Kapanen
Komarov
Brown
Bracco
Soshnikov
Leivo
Leipsic
Hyman
Martin
Johnson
Timashov
Lindberg
Dzierkals
Korostelev

I think there's enough wingers in the mix next year.
 
It's amazing that McKegg made it to the NHL despite the fact he's got a leg for an arm and an arm for a leg.
 
zeke said:
Marner
Kapanen
Komarov
Brown
Bracco
Soshnikov
Leivo
Leipsic
Hyman
Martin
Johnson
Timashov
Lindberg
Dzierkals
Korostelev

I think there's enough wingers in the mix next year.
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Marner Kapanen Brown and Soshnikov I had on the RW in my lineups for next year.

Bracco and Timashov I don't think are there yet. None of the others really replace JVR on the LW.

I'm not saying you can't trade him but seems like something worth thinking about.
 
zeke said:
Marner
Kapanen
Komarov
Brown
Bracco
Soshnikov
Leivo
Leipsic
Hyman
Martin
Johnson
Timashov
Lindberg
Dzierkals
Korostelev

I think there's enough wingers in the mix next year.
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There's a lot of potential third and fourth line nothingness in there.

Only Marner is a sure bet as a top sixer. Kapanen is the safest bet that isn't on the team right now. Komarov is declining fast and will be traded soon. Sosh has a chance, Leipsic too as a second liner just maybe. The rest you can't count on scoring you 30 combined.

There's a major hole created by losing JVR.
 
The reality is that they aren't keeping him. The only way you tempt him imo is with that 8th year but then you're signing the guy until he's 37-38 which imo is a non starter
 
LeafOfFaith said:
There's a lot of potential third and fourth line nothingness in there.

Only Marner is a sure bet as a top sixer. Kapanen is the safest bet that isn't on the team right now. Komarov is declining fast and will be traded soon. Sosh has a chance, Leipsic too as a second liner just maybe. The rest you can't count on scoring you 30 combined.

There's a major hole created by losing JVR.
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There is but in a cap world you gotta make tough decisons
 
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