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http://www.canadianbusiness.com/inv...ana-stocks-have-a-serious-accounting-problem/

Depending on your point of view, the burgeoning marijuana industry in Canada is either an unprecedented opportunity to rake in huge profits as recreational use becomes legal, or a speculative bubble that will eventually pop. When forensic accountant Al Rosen looks at the sector, he sees something else: “It’s a bloody mess,” he says.

Rosen is referring to the financial statements of the country’s publicly traded licensed producers. Accountability Research Corp., which Rosen runs with his son, Mark, is warning those statements are misleading and allow companies to overstate profitability. “Canadian reporting of marijuana growers sets a new low for integrity,” the Rosens wrote in a recent report. It’s not that companies are intentionally duping investors—though there is ample opportunity for that, the Rosens argue. Instead, companies are trying to apply already-vague accounting rules to a new industry. Companies have to put a value on their marijuana plants for accounting purposes, even though pricing and future demand are not yet known. As a result, the Rosens charge, financial statements rely heavily on managers’ estimates, and are wildly inconsistent.

“If investors are using the numbers at all, there’s a serious chance they’re being misled, or they’re misinterpreting the numbers themselves,” Mark says. The issue is compounded by the fact that valuations are soaring, and companies are trading based on future projections that may never materialize. “It’s just adding to all of the speculation around marijuana, and feeding the frenzy,” says the elder Rosen.

To understand, gird yourself for a brief accounting lesson. The problem, according to the Rosens, starts with International Financial Reporting Standards (IFRS). Canada implemented IFRS accounting in 2011, following most other G20 countries (the United States remains an outlier). One of the goals of IFRS is to create a set of global standards to help facilitate international investing. The Rosens charge that IFRS is a step backward and gives companies too much leeway when it comes to reporting. A company, for example, can record revenue if management believes there is a 50.001 per cent probability of collecting the cash.

That brings us to gross margins—a measure of the difference between revenue and the cost of goods sold, such as labour and materials. It’s an important gauge of profitability. IFRS allows agricultural firms to use the estimated increase in the value of their biological assets, such as plants, to offset costs when calculating gross margins. It’s a little bit like counting chickens before they’ve hatched (perhaps literally). For mature agricultural industries, that can make sense. The market for tomatoes is well-established, prices are not in dispute, and a producer can enter into future sales contracts. That’s not the case with recreational marijuana sales, an industry that doesn’t even exist yet. Prices, costs, sales volumes and the quality of inventory are still very much up in the air.

Gross margins in the sector are distorted as a result, making firms look more profitable than they really are. Companies are boosting marijuana inventory in anticipation of legal recreational sales in July, and have much more weed than can possibly be sold at this point. That’s led to cases where some firms, such as Canopy Growth Corp., have reported gross margins in excess of 100 per cent. The situation makes it difficult for investors to truly gauge profitability—and it’s made worse by the fact that companies use different estimates to calculate the value of their plants, and they’re not always transparent about how they arrived at those values. “Even when you ask what number they’re using, they’ll give you a roundabout answer. It has been like pulling teeth sometimes,” says Jason Zandberg, an equity analyst who covers the sector at PI Financial in Vancouver. “They say, ‘Well, it changes every quarter.’ That’s just a bizarre way to carry out business.”

Some companies have taken to using their own metrics to more accurately represent margins. (In the parlance of accountants, these custom numbers are called non-GAAP adjustments.) Both Canopy and Aphria do so, but the figures aren’t comparable. Canopy excludes depreciation and amortization from its cost of sales, while Aphria includes the amortization of production equipment and greenhouse infrastructure. In the end, Canopy overstates gross margins relative to Aphria, according to the Rosens. Canopy has also changed the way it reported this figure last year, adding to the confusion. Since there is no consistent reporting across the sector, and even the non-GAAP adjustments are based on management estimates, investors are still poorly served, the Rosens argue. “It’s not definitely not a more useful tool,” Mark says.

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As the July deadline for the provinces to legalize marijuana approaches, the stock prices of Canadian publicly-traded weed producers have been on a tear. On Monday alone shares in Canopy Growth Corp., soared nearly 20 per cent. The surge in market value comes as firms try to position themselves with sufficient product to meet anticipated demand. But as these companies, some valued in the billions of dollars despite generating no profits, continue to attract starry-eyed investors, it’s worth examining what kind of opportunities will exist for these firms when provinces regulate retail pot sales. It is not difficult to predict profit margins will fall under regulation and that current market cap valuations are predicated on unrealistic expectations.

While there are some variations across provinces in their distribution plans for legalized marijuana, the largest two provinces, Ontario and Quebec, intend to have provincial run outlets modelled on their government-controlled alcohol sales. Indeed, the alcohol model gives us an important clue as to how the industry is likely to shake out—and why marijuana producers face tough times ahead. Keep in mind that there will still be online purchases and the proportional divide between physical store and e-commerce is unclear. Ontario with only a planned 150 outlets might give us an early indication as to online traffic. But let us consider the possible ramifications from only the government outlets.

The Ontario Liquor Control Board (LCBO) and Société des alcools du Québec (SAQ) effectively have a monopoly on the sales of most alcohol products in their respective provinces (with the exception of beer and some wine). The LCBO is one of the world’s largest buyers and demands much from its suppliers in terms of large quantities and price discounts. Minor producers, even in Ontario, who are unable to meet the demands of the LCBO must sell their products elsewhere.

Giant provincial alcohol buyers with market power drive tough bargains in terms of price and quantity which dissipates suppliers’ profits. Of course, having a virtual monopoly on the retail side has meant that these pricing discounts are rarely passed onto its customers. I see the same tactics for recreational marijuana. There is the false belief that the licensed producers (LPs) of marijuana will get the same price from the provinces they have enjoyed in the retail-based medical market business. However, aggressive bulk buying by large provincial authorities will whittle the producer price down markedly.

Provincial buyers are going to want to deal with licensed producers that can supply large amount of product at low prices. At present the average price of medical marijuana is roughly $10 per gram. Some publicly traded companies have boasted that their all-in costs are in the range of 70 cents to $1.75 per gram which translates into profit margins of more than 80 per cent. However, we can expect provincial agencies will severely cut into these margins. The Ontario wine industry provides us with some idea of profit margins that LPs might reasonably expect. In a recent study on Ontario Wine and Grape Industry (2015), for large scale operations the profit margins are just under 15 per cent and in fact many smaller vineyards were posting losses.

Meanwhile at implementation this will likely mean only the largest producers will be entering into contract with the provincial authorities. The notion of boutique suppliers of cannabis will have to wait, just like craft beer producers waited in alcohol sales. Establishing reliable supply lines will dominate initially any gourmet pot considerations.

Will provinces favour producers in their own backyards? Of course they will. Just as Ontario has favoured its own wine industry and shelves mostly their products for the domestic lines in their stores, so will it be true for provincial distributors. For instance, if you are a cannabis producer hoping to sell in Canada’s biggest markets, you will likely need a physical grow-op in Ontario or Quebec. This means regional producers will face additional barriers to growth. At present only the government of New Brunswick has announced a commitment to Organigram, a Moncton-based producer, to buy five million grams a year. The company, which has seen its shares soar 31 per cent in value so far this year, estimates that deal will translate into a retail value of $40 million to $60 million. (At present, Organigram’s market value stands at $630 million.) Other provinces will soon follow suit I believe and strike distribution arrangements for local provincial growers.

As in many stock market interactions, the industry tells a rosy story of growth and opportunity. But I would suggest a careful recall of the dot com bubble offers a somber warning. Canopy Growth Corp. is currently valued at just over $7.5 billion yet loses about 12 cents a share. At the same time, Canadian Tire Corp. has a valuation of $11.5 billion and earns $10 a share—and pays a dividend yield of 2.14 per cent. What company offers a better long-term investment?
 
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There is huge money to be made in the volatility of MJ and Bitcoin. Massive money was made my people, in 2014. For sitting and holding. But being OCD as they are, they gave a lot back, make money off them thrusting to make it back in todays environment.

Gold, silver, oil will have a run too, buy them at the appropriate time in another sector push., there is always another sector around the corner, to make a address changing investment.

While one pool of fools gold is filling up another is draining. Rinse your coins and repeat. My feeling anyways. 2014 was a great MJ year.
 
I guess I have a number of problems with the articles posted:

Companies are boosting marijuana inventory in anticipation of legal recreational sales in July, and have much more weed than can possibly be sold at this point.

The first one makes the claim that there is too much supply...which is a monstrous load of bullshit. An embarrassing load of bullshit. The biggest problem the industry has right now is that the vast majority of production space is planned or under construction. Aurora Sky for example might...might squeeze out a single crop before July 1 (and is already months behind schedule). It's currently expected that ~125,000 KG will be harvested and sitting in vaults by July 1. That's just not enough, not close to enough. It's estimated that Canadians used 625,000 KG last year. Even if we're assuming that demand doesn't go up at all, there's just over 2 months of supply sitting in vaults (by July 1), and the industry has spent about 8 months loading up on that stockpile, without the capacity to quickly ramp up production. Most of the massive grow projects won't be online by then, with a couple just barely turning the lights on by July 1. At full capacity, every facility in planning and current construction will barely be enough to meet demand (just Canadian demand...I'll get into that in a moment), and that's if demand doesn't go up at all.

This is such a massive load of bullshit, so easily confirmed that it casts doubt on a lot of other claims made by the piece quite frankly.

As for the rest of the first piece, it focuses on accounting trickery that I'm not well versed in. The big kids are trading at pretty crazy valuations but it really depends on what you see them as. If you see them as the big players in a ~8-10 Billion dollar domestic industry, they're hilariously over valued. If you see them as the first multinational players in a soon to be created 200+ Billion dollar market that are already planting their flags in Europe, the US, Australia & South America, the valuations look optimistic, but not insane anymore. The big Canadians firms have legitimate first mover advantage and appear to be taking advantage of it. That comes with debt deals to load up the war chests and a focus on growth over tidy quarterlies. I have a hard time seeing the financials being as shoddy as is claimed in the article given the fact that the big banks are starting to underwrite industry deals. BMO isn't going to get involved with Canopy if their books are a steaming pile of shit (which seems to be the claim here).


The surge in market value comes as firms try to position themselves with sufficient product to meet anticipated demand.But as these companies, some valued in the billions of dollars despite generating no profits

Aphria?

2 things here I guess. First is that one of the 3 biggest players turns a profit, with a CEO who screams that from the rooftops every time he's on BNN, it's literally impossible to not know this if you follow the industry in any real way. Second is that why even present this as a real ****ing point? You're telling me that companies who are spending a ****ton of money on ramping up to meet Canadian demand, but can't sell their product yet aren't turning a profit yet? ****ing wow, marvelous insight. Another piece that starts off with embarrassing nonsense that has to make you question everything else in it.

There is the false belief that the licensed producers (LPs) of marijuana will get the same price from the provinces they have enjoyed in the retail-based medical market business.

Nobody believes this. Literally nobody. The industry is already stressing the importance of cost per gram, they know the squeeze is coming. Which is also why the biggest, & smartest of the gang are branching out to Europe where their margins are massive (10-12 Euro per gram). Anyone who analyzes the Canadian marijuana players and ignores that these are already international companies is either ignorant (and shouldn't be listened to) or have an agenda (and also shouldn't be listened to)

Meanwhile at implementation this will likely mean only the largest producers will be entering into contract with the provincial authorities.

Like OGI in New Brunswick? (this guy then touches on this very deal just a few lines down, as if he didn't just say this here...OGI in no way shape or form is part of the "largest producers" club)


There isn't enough supply for just the big guys to supply massive provinces...and the big guys, as much as they want that market share, are already focusing on places that there aren't ridiculous socialist control of wholesale pricing. Now, the big guys may act as middle men for medium and small growers (FIRE, etc) to sell their product to the ontario and quebec governments, but it won't be the big boys growing it all.


So yeah, I'm not arguing that the entire market deserves it's valuation. There's a lot of good news in the future priced in already, and there's going to be a bunch of companies that exist now that won't in 24 months. But these pieces are both messes for various reasons.
 
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Yeah I mean I'm not as confident as ME about these stocks but even the most pessimistic people in the world have to be able to see the potential here. I mean, stop overthinking it. It's not that complicated.


Anyway APH makes a huge huge move today. Could be a game changer. Out of everything I own, I'm probably most confident about them. If anything I think they're undervalued compared to some of their peers.
 
Man woke up to a lot of snow shoveling today. ME is right, on the sly, there are tons of facilities being hurried up, in the area I am in. But no media, no press about it... Yet.
 
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This is big. The crypto hedge fund Polychain, one of the most well-known funds in the space, is looking to do an IPO in Canada. bloomberg.com/news/articles/…
 
I love reading these negative articles about stories I love. Reminds me of when Amazon was overvalued twelve hundred dollars ago.
 
I love reading these negative articles about stories I love. Reminds me of when Amazon was overvalued twelve hundred dollars ago.

Yeah, when bears are getting basic material facts wrong about the companies, industry and overall market it makes me feel warm inside.
 
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Hahaha yeah it sucks but at a certain point you become desentized. First couple of days of day watching were rough. But really, I'm not pulling out anytime soon so there's no reason to give two ****s at daily, weekly or even monthly losses.

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Hahaha yeah it sucks but at a certain point you become desentized. First couple of days of day watching were rough. But really, I'm not pulling out anytime soon so there's no reason to give two ****s at daily, weekly or even monthly losses.

The whole sector has taken about a 20% haircut during the last few weeks. But some stocks have held up more than others.

IMO, it pays to notice stocks displaying relative strength and a persistent bid amid the downdraft.
 
The whole sector has taken about a 20% haircut during the last few weeks. But some stocks have held up more than others.

IMO, it pays to notice stocks displaying relative strength and a persistent bid amid the downdraft.

Aurora seems to have held up better than some.

FFT dropped a lot the last two days but I plan to buy some more.

APH dropped as well but I think it gives ppl a chance to get in at a lower rate. I would expect this to increase in the long run as well.

But this is just my opinion.
 
Aurora seems to have held up better than some.

I think the Cannimed deal hype floated them while some of the others were bleeding. They had a severe gap down at open and then bled during trading to a 10% loss. They're now down 23% or so in the last 5 days of trading.

FFT dropped a lot the last two days but I plan to buy some more.

APH dropped as well but I think it gives ppl a chance to get in at a lower rate. I would expect this to increase in the long run as well.

But this is just my opinion.

The bleeding will stop at some point, but it's cyclical as the big money moves around looking for profits. We're competing with blockchain, tech, mining etc for who is the hot play right now and we're currently not it.
 
I rebought ISOL today at 1.30 (after selling it over 1.70 in December). It's acting pretty well -- we'll see if I got headfaked.
 
I rebought ISOL today at 1.30 (after selling it over 1.70 in December). It's acting pretty well -- we'll see if I got headfaked.

Good luck man. I'm holding my current group of stocks (which I'm well, well ahead on so **** it) and sitting on some cash waiting for the bloodbath to stop.

Actually waiting on some interesting shit to go public shortly as well. Khiron is interesting as hell, and Bruce Campbell is CIO of a MJ investment company that just went live the other day (just in time for the shares and warrants to shit the bed way below IPO levels). CGOC.
 
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Good luck man. I'm holding my current group of stocks (which I'm well, well ahead on so **** it) and sitting on some cash waiting for the bloodbath to stop.


I've been raising some cash as well -- wish I could say I timed it perfectly but I trimmed enough a few weeks ago. Now in nibble mode. Got some CPH (ASX) at 1.00 for a trade. Looking for 1.25, stop at .92. So 3/1 risk/reward.
 
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