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Hurricanes 2024-25 Post Mortem and Off Season Stuff

Meh. I'll worry about it when it matters. Burn is neither re-signed nor is it guaranteed that Rod's going to put Nikishin in the Top 6 without spending some time in Chicago proving he can handle it. He's made that part very clear. He likes the kind's upside, sure, but he needs to figure out how to communicate (yes, it matters and Brind'Amour has straight up said so) and have a great camp before anybody starts penciling his name anywhere near the roster.
 
Rod will keep Burns on top pair with Slavin, no matter what salary Burns is making. You can wish Burns to drop down a line or two, but it ain't happening. He's going to play every night until he gets his record.
 
$5M for Burns? Shoot me now

$2M for Burns and no PP time AND reduced ice time? Fine.

Part of the Burns issue is who can you safely pair him with? Slavin is really the only one although you could argue for Chatfield I guess, but then Chats needs reduced minutes. BLAH
 
I'm still sticking to the "I'll worry about this when it actually matters" track, but FWIW Burns DID play with Ghost for that weird stretch when Brindy had Walker up with Slavin. It was fine.
 
polarbare said:
$5M for Burns? Shoot me now
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It could more like $2 million base with $3 million in potential bonuses (if that makes you feel any better about it, which it probably doesn't).

Taking Ryan Suter for example his 1 year contract with St. Louis looked like this:

Base Salary/AAV $775,000

Performance Bonuses: $2,250,000

$225K for 10 GP -- $400K for 30 GP -- $500K for 40 GP -- $600K for 60 GP -- $500K for playoffs and at least 60 regular season GP

(sourced this from puckpedia.com)

Ryan Suter collected ALL of those bonuses.

I can see Burns signing a similar 1 year contract with the Canes, but with a higher base salary (because he is still pretty good).
 
That won't be the problem; can we structure it more like

25< TOI- $100K
20<>25 TOI - $250K
15<>20 TOI - $500K
<15 TOI - $750K
 
cmaleski2 said:
It could more like $2 million base with $3 million in potential bonuses (if that makes you feel any better about it, which it probably doesn't).

Taking Ryan Suter for example his 1 year contract with St. Louis looked like this:

Base Salary/AAV $775,000

Performance Bonuses: $2,250,000

$225K for 10 GP -- $400K for 30 GP -- $500K for 40 GP -- $600K for 60 GP -- $500K for playoffs and at least 60 regular season GP

(sourced this from puckpedia.com)

Ryan Suter collected ALL of those bonuses.

I can see Burns signing a similar 1 year contract with the Canes, but with a higher base salary (because he is still pretty good).
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That would push the bonuses into the 2026-27 cap, which is projected to go up to about $104 million.
 
RIght, which frees up more cap space for the 25-26 Canes to play with.

I'm NOT advocating that we keep Burns. I would rather we go out and get a better, younger, more physical and more mobile Dman. But if we ARE going to keep Burns, and he is not willing to simply take 1 year $2 million "because I love to play hockey and love the Canes", then I think a contract with achievable performance bonuses would be good for both sides.
 
HeyKurtz said:
FYI, The Athletic's free agent "big board" projects a 1-year, $5,319,350 AAV contract for Brent Burns.

www.nytimes.com

NHL free-agent big board: Mitch Marner, Sam Bennett and the top 50 targets a month before July 1

From franchise-altering superstars to a whole bushel of players who will be in the Stanley Cup Final, here are the summer's top targets.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com
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I saw that ... but note that The Athletic's contract value projections trend pretty strongly towards over-valuing defensemen. And especially right shot defensemen. It works as a rough guide for a purely open market contract situation, but the word rough is doing a fair amount of work.
 
HeyKurtz said:
FYI, The Athletic's free agent "big board" projects a 1-year, $5,319,350 AAV contract for Brent Burns.

www.nytimes.com

NHL free-agent big board: Mitch Marner, Sam Bennett and the top 50 targets a month before July 1

From franchise-altering superstars to a whole bushel of players who will be in the Stanley Cup Final, here are the summer's top targets.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com
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True, but they also have Sam Bennett at 6 years $6,637,250 AAV. THAT is way under what he is going to get in the open market.
 
cmaleski2 said:
True, but they also have Sam Bennett at 6 years $6,637,250 AAV. THAT is way under what he is going to get in the open market.
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Yup. If I had taken the time to complete my thought, I also would have noted that their model routinely under-rates forwards who are so-called playoff producers. Those guys always bring down 20-30% more than the model valuation. Of course, that model is supposed to be identifying regular season value over time and it kind of ignores that the market itself sets the actual value. At least it's good for a starting point
 
Buying KK out is the quickest solution. The cap hits would go for TEN seasons:

$841,333 x2 seasons
$461,333 x3 seasons
$841,333 x5 seasons

The actual money outlay would be that $841,333 per year over 10 years.

We could also trade KK with or without retention. Or we could continue to hang on to him and hope that something at some point clicks.

I'm going to with

45% chance KK gets bought out
50% chance KK gets traded
5% chance KK is retained
 
It wouldn't surprise me if KK stays put. I'd rather he didn't, but it all depends on what Tulsky is able to accomplish on the free agent market. Of course, if he can move him as part of a trade, then I think Tulsky would happily do that. But getting rid of KK isn't his focus, it's an afterthought.
 
I would be surprised if KK isn't wearing the sightless eye this Fall. He ain't going anywhere unless he's a part of a trade package. Business Tom ain't paying no one for a no-show job, especially one that comes out to almost a cool mill a year.
 
I'm really doubting that Kotkaniemi will be back but I'm not convinced the Canes actually buy him out. Trading him seems more likely and I wonder if they wouldn't be willing to retain a bit of his salary to make it happen. At $4.8 million AAV it's not like he's wildly over-paid but he's more of a $3 million-something player and if Carolina would retain say a million bucks, then I think the market for him opens up considerably. And I agree with Jerry that Dundon paying somebody not to work seems counter to his general thing.
 
Either way (buyout or trade+retain), TD writes a check for a lot of years for the same number of playoff goals KK gave us the last 2 seasons.
 
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