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Is the Leafs defense core "putrid" per THN?

SENSible said:
I like the previous suggestion of "suspect"

Could be putrid or could end up decent. Time will tell.
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Yeah, I think that's a fair assessment. As things stand today, it's difficult to argue that it's not a bottom-third corps. Could be serivceable though depending on Rielly's continued development, the emergence of Zaitsev as a quality top four option, and Marincin continuing to be an effective shutdown defender.
 
SENSible said:
I like the previous suggestion of "suspect"

Could be putrid or could end up decent. Time will tell.
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If it wasn't putrid last year in results, with the same or worse personnel...I don't see why it would go from average to putrid.
 
MindzEye said:
If it wasn't putrid last year in results, with the same or worse personnel...I don't see why it would go from average to putrid.
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Well, you did lose Phaneuf during the year last year, so it'll be interesting to see what a full year without him will be.
 
UWHabs said:
Well, you did lose Phaneuf during the year last year, so it'll be interesting to see what a full year without him will be.
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I'm sure someone could produce the numbers again, but I'm pretty sure our defensive metrics improved in the 2nd half.
 
leafman101 said:
Sportsnet has put out an interesting ranking of the top 20 defensemen (and all other positions) based on statistical analysis.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/ranking-top-20-defencemen-nhl-numbers/

No Leafs on the list. Karlsson comes out #1 by a mile. Also Subban is at #3 and Weber is nowhere to be seen.
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Any ranking with Shatty at #6, Campbell at #8, and Niskanen at #9 makes me question their methodology and the fairly arbitrary nature of what they've determined is important to measure and how to weight those measurements.

I applaud the effort, and without really digging in to their methodology (which I'm honestly not qualified to do properly despite my relatively strong laypersons knowledge of statistics), it's hard to pinpoint where they went wrong...but I'm pretty sure they took a left turn at albuquerque.
 
It sucked last night. I also say when the Habs D sucks, which was most of last year.

And putrid and sucks aren't nearly the same. Not in my vocabulary. Putrid is far far worse.
 
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From urban dictionary:
It sucks:
It is crap, a loser, broken, second rate.

Far cry from "putrid" imo.

If the article would have said the Leafs D sucks I would not have defended it. Putrid is a very strong word.
 
MindzEye said:
If it wasn't putrid last year in results, with the same or worse personnel...I don't see why it would go from average to putrid.
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Worse personnel who were focussed soley on playing the system and sound defensive hockey...hence your putrid offensive #'s

The higher skilled, higher risk and less experienced blue chippers will provide far less insulation for your D corps. (Last night's -7 combined being an early indication)
 
SENSible said:
Worse personnel who were focussed soley on playing the system and sound defensive hockey...hence your putrid offensive #'s

The higher skilled, higher risk and less experienced blue chippers will provide far less insulation for your D corps. (Last night's -7 combined being an early indication)
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It depends how you look at it. If you went by the previous game (which, I believe, had more youngsters in the lineup), they looked awesome defensively. Ottawa was barely able to register shots for long stretches.
 
BeLeafer said:
It depends how you look at it. If you went by the previous game (which, I believe, had more youngsters in the lineup), they looked awesome defensively. Ottawa was barely able to register shots for long stretches.
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They did look better against Ottawa and to be honest, the Sens play was worrisome.

The Leafs are on the path back to being relevant, but there may be some twists in the path and i'm not sure their rise will be as meteoric as some here expect.
 
They definitely have reason to be optimistic, instead of patchwork mediocrity the fans now will deal with growing pains. At least there is a light at the end of the tunnel.
 
I think they got caught flatfooted after dealing with the relatively slow Senators the previous game. I didn't see beyond the first period last night, but it looked like they were being overwhelmed by speed. They'll adjust.

Don't think we'll see this kind of performance again.
 
They have a large group of inexperienced kids. Games like last night are part of the learning curve
 
Our defense is the weakest part of this team IMO. Rielly will need to take a big step forward, Gardiner the same, and Zaitsev will need to be an immediate top 4 to help calm it
 
MindzEye said:
Any ranking with Shatty at #6, Campbell at #8, and Niskanen at #9 makes me question their methodology and the fairly arbitrary nature of what they've determined is important to measure and how to weight those measurements.

I applaud the effort, and without really digging in to their methodology (which I'm honestly not qualified to do properly despite my relatively strong laypersons knowledge of statistics), it's hard to pinpoint where they went wrong...but I'm pretty sure they took a left turn at albuquerque.
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Yikes. Niskanen is a pretty brutal defender and was a major factor in the American team at the World Cup being as bad as they were,, so that basically negates any validity that list may have had.
 
For the record I think I'd be a lot more confident about their d if they used Gardiner in a shutdown role as opposed to Rielly. Last night was a great example of why I don't think it is wise to use Rielly this way. But even with that, they'll be fine.
 
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