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Tlusty > Skille

If Burke brings in Skille because he's got a hard on for American players at the cost of the younger, more talented Tlusty, I'm not going to be pleased.

If Tlusty is the centrepiece of a Sharp deal though, and we're getting Skille back as part of that without giving up anything else but an expiring contract or two (Stempniak??), then I could live with it.
 
Is it okay if I want both on my team?

Antropov - XXXXX - Kessel
Blake - Grabo - Sharp

Very, very nice top 6 depending on who slots into that #1 centre position
 
That Top-6 costs over $20 mil with a slot left to fill, and still only has one PPG threat.
 
19 yrs old (NHL)
Tlusty: 58 gms, 16 pts, 10:55 TOI (82 gms, 23 pts)
Skille: N/A

19 yrs old (AHL)
Tlusty: 14 gms, 18 pts (82 gms, 105 pts)
Skille: 9 gms, 8 pts (82 gms, 73 pts)


20 yrs old (NHL)
Tlusty: 14 gms, 4 pts, 12:42 TOI (82 gms, 23 pts)
Skille: 16 gms, 5 pts, 11:59 TOI (82 gms, 26 pts)

20 yrs old (AHL)
Tlusty: 66 gms, 66 pts (82 gms, 82 pts)
Skille: 59 gms, 34 pts (82 gms, 47 pts)


21 yrs old (NHL)
Tlusty: 2 gms, 0 pts, 12:13 TOI (82 gms, 0 pts)
Skille: 8 gms, 1 pts, 9:26 TOI (82 gms, 10 pts)

21 yrs old (AHL)
Tlusty: 15 gms, 13 pts (82 gms, 71 pts)
Skille: 58 gms, 45 pts (82 gms, 64 pts)


22 yrs old (NHL)
Tlusty: N/A
Skille: 5 gms, 2 pts, 7:22 TOI (82 gms, 33 pts)

22 yrs old (AHL)
Tlusty: N/A
Skille: 12 gms, 6 pts (82 gms, 41 pts)
 
I'd like to pick up a guy like Skille. A big guy, who can bang around on the third line, but has enough skill to pot 20+ goals, not unlike Andrew Ladd.

Wouldn't give up Tlusty for him thouhg.

And as for Sharp, Antropov may be > but not by a whole lot. Sharp would replace much of the offense the Leafs lost with Antropov. Both players are insanely better value at the $4 million range than Hagman and Blake.
 
zeke said:
That Top-6 costs over $20 mil with a slot left to fill, and still only has one PPG threat.
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I'd love to not have Blake on it, sure...I'd also like to have Kadri as our #2 centre and be able to trade Grabo.

But that it unfortunately out of our hands
 
leafman101 said:
I'd like to pick up a guy like Skille. A big guy, who can bang around on the third line, but has enough skill to pot 20+ goals, not unlike Andrew Ladd.

Wouldn't give up Tlusty for him thouhg.
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I agree.

Skille's still young enough that you can't write him off just yet. He has good size and he has the skillset that could make him a 20-25 goal scorer.

But giving up Tlusty would be overpaying. Tlusty has played better at the AHL level and he's done more at a younger age at the NHL level.
 
Well, I don't want any of them at that price, but for the record.....


09/10

Blake: 21gms, 2gls, 14pts, -2, 22tk, 16:42 (82gms, 8gls, 55pts, -8, 86tk)[/i]
Sharp: 21gms, 6gls, 19pts, +7, 10tk, 18:13 (82gms, 23gls, 74pts, +27, 39tk)
Antro: 19gms, 1gls, 18pts, +9, 6tk, 17:52 (82gms, 4gls, 78pts, +39, 26tk)

08/09

Blake: 78gms, 25gls, 63pts, -2, 53tk, 18:20 (82gms, 27gls, 66pts, -2, 56tk)
Sharp: 61gms, 26gls, 44pts, +6, 22tk, 17:58 (82gms, 35gls, 59pts, +8, 30tk)
Antro: 81gms, 28gls, 59pts, -14, 35tk, 17:10 (82gms, 28gls, 60pts, -14, 36tk)

07/08

Blake: 82gms, 15gls, 52pts, -4, 42tk, 17:49 (82gms, 15gls, 52pts, -4, 42tk)
Sharp: 80gms, 36gls, 62pts, +23, 44tk, 18:47 (82gms, 37gls, 64pts, +24, 45tk)
Antro: 72gms, 26gls, 56pts, +10, 30tk, 20:06 (82gms, 30gls, 64pts, +11, 34tk)

06/07

Blake: 82gms, 40gls, 69pts, +1, 69tk, 18:06 (82gms, 40gls, 69pts, +1, 69tk)
Sharp: 80gms, 20gls, 35pts, -15, 35tk, 17:04 (82gms, 21gls, 36pts, -15, 36tk)
Antro: 54gms, 18gls, 33pts, +8, 23tk, 16:36 (82gms, 27gls, 50pts, +12, 35tk)


With the note that Sharp's sudden latish-career offensive surge came precisely at the same time he was moved to a line and PP unit alongside Toews and Kane.
 
No more money should be going to 2nd line players. All available resources should be going towards finding Kessel legit 1st liners to play with.

As much as I love Antro, Burke made the right decision in not re-signing him to that contract. It's not because Antropov isn't worth that kind of money, it's because the Leafs already have too many 2nd/3rd liners making 2-4 mill a year and another one of these contracts would hinder the Leafs chances of adding frontline talent in the future.

And I wouldn't overpay for Sharp. He's not the typical 1st liner who can drive a line. He's a guy like Tanguay who needs to be surrounded by great players in order to produce at a high level.
 
I like Sharp. He's a strong two way forward who can bury the puck to the tune of 35 goals a year. And I agree the Leafs have too many players paid like second liners, but I would have no problem paying them on the marlies, and upgrading the NHL roster.

Which in retrospect would have been a good move with Antropov.
 
Burke seems to realize Tlusty's potential from what I remember.

Burke has said in interviews that Tlusty's got talents and he's showing that dominating in the AHL, but everytime he's called up he has what Burke calls a 'stage fright' problem, and he needs to get over that.

So he seems to get what's the deal at Tlusty and won't throw him away for little in return
 
skille would be an immediate fan favorite in toronto, along the lines of a roberts style player

he is a guy that goes hard to the net and can battle strong along the boards
 
Let's trade for both Skille and Ladd. Exactly the kind of muscle the team needs up front - when you've got these kinds of players it really changes the style of play of the entire team.
 
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