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with all the flack Burke has received about giving up this and next years first rounder, there is no way he trades last years first rounder. Sure he's not that big on draft picks, but he knows that Kadri adds to the youth movement he's created.

Kaberle + Kulemin and maybe even Grabs (Burke was said that Anaheim wanted him when he was there) for Ryan and a bad contract.
 
with all the flack Burke has received about giving up this and next years first rounder, there is no way he trades last years first rounder.
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I don't think Burke would avoid that, or any trade because of public perception. He would avoid that trade because it's a bad trade to make.

We take on 3 million in cap hit, diminish our ability to improve through free agency (I'd rather go get Marleau for nothing at 7-7.5 million than pay Bobby Ryan 6 and give up Kaberle for the honour of doing so), and lose our best prospect and 2 of our best 3 centreman (opening up a desperate need for centres in the organization).

Just a bad move that leaves us with more holes than we already have.
 
If this stock market turns into a real healthy C wave, which it is looking like it is, Burke just has to sit back and GM's will be begging Toronto to take on bad contracts.

I would say, stand pat, instead of trading Kaberle and Kadri.
 
Here's my question. This isn't connected to a Kaberle deal, Kaberle would not be a part of this trade.

After trading Kaberle to another team, would you take on Brian Campbell's contract from Chicago if it meant getting a first round pick as well?
 
Are you guys serious about Kulemin? The guy looks like he has the potential to be alright but seriously? You really think there's a chance of an offer sheet on him? You really think that adding him to a trade proposal will really sweeten the pot?

The guy is 24 years old and has 2 NHL seasons under his belt and he put up 31 and 36 points.

Guys like that really don't have a lot of value. Pretty much every team in the league has a few guys like that.
 
IrishWolfman said:
Here's my question. This isn't connected to a Kaberle deal, Kaberle would not be a part of this trade.

After trading Kaberle to another team, would you take on Brian Campbell's contract from Chicago if it meant getting a first round pick as well?
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I think that would be a good move for the Leafs. Campbell is a very valuable player. His contract sucks balls but he can definitely help make the Leafs a better team, plus a 1st rounder would be good to have, even if it is #29 or #30.
 
IrishWolfman said:
Here's my question. This isn't connected to a Kaberle deal, Kaberle would not be a part of this trade.

After trading Kaberle to another team, would you take on Brian Campbell's contract from Chicago if it meant getting a first round pick as well?
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No. If the Leafs are going to take on a contract like that they are way better off giving it to a forward like Marleau, than another d-man they don't need.
 
Here's my question. This isn't connected to a Kaberle deal, Kaberle would not be a part of this trade.

After trading Kaberle to another team, would you take on Brian Campbell's contract from Chicago if it meant getting a first round pick as well?
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I've talked about this with you and JCY before but since you asked on here I might as well post - yeah, I would do that. But we'd probably have to move a contract on the blueline after that - Beauchemin?

Campbell, Phaneuf, Schenn, Komisarek, Gunnarsson, whoever. All 30 & under.
 
Habspatrol said:
Are you guys serious about Kulemin? The guy looks like he has the potential to be alright but seriously? You really think there's a chance of an offer sheet on him? You really think that adding him to a trade proposal will really sweeten the pot?

The guy is 24 years old and has 2 NHL seasons under his belt and he put up 31 and 36 points.

Guys like that really don't have a lot of value. Pretty much every team in the league has a few guys like that.
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Yea Kulemin is one of those guys you love to have based on the fact that at his current cost he's an extremely versatile player who can fill in anywhere from the 1st to fourth line. It's when guys like that start asking for the bigger bucks that they become redundant. Kulemin doesn't score enough to merit that kind of dough and if thats what he wants then his value in a trade is not that high.
 
Corky27 said:
Yea Kulemin is one of those guys you love to have based on the fact that at his current cost he's an extremely versatile player who can fill in anywhere from the 1st to fourth line. It's when guys like that start asking for the bigger bucks that they become redundant. Kulemin doesn't score enough to merit that kind of dough and if thats what he wants then his value in a trade is not that high.
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Exactly, there's a reason Burke doesn't want to pay him much.
 
You really think there's a chance of an offer sheet on him?
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Actually, now that I think about it, the compensation for an offer sheet even upwards of 3 million is only a 2nd rounder... so yeah, maybe.
 
hockeylover said:
Actually, now that I think about it, the compensation for an offer sheet even upwards of 3 million is only a 2nd rounder... so yeah, maybe.
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Maybe... but offer sheets are quite rare, I hardly think Kulemin is the type of player that teams just gotta have.
 
LeafGm said:
You're really eager to trade Kadri, aren't you? I think he's been in just about every trade proposal you've posted on this board.
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No, I'm not overly eager to trade Kadri, but when you got guys like Ryan etc available, your going to have to give up some assets. Ryan is a solid top 6 player with skill, hands, size and grit as well he's already put up 2 30 plus goal seasons in the NHL. Kadri has potential to be a speedy top centre, but so far he hasn't proven or got the chance to prove he can be that guy in the NHL. It's a fair trade if you ask me.
 
Metalleaf said:
P84, Kadri's not going anywhere, your desire to trade him everywhere is shortsighted and dangerous.
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Your right he's probably not going anywhere, but he's not or shouldnt be immune to being traded either if the right deal came down the pipes. Kadri is a boom or bust kind of player, either he's going to come in and be a top centre OR he's going to flop and be a career ahl'er, time will tell. But right now if a team is willing to offer up a guy like Ryan and want Kadri as part of the return deal, I think the majority of GM's would do that trade in a new york minute.
 
I'm not sure that Ryan's potential is that much higher than Kadri's.

He's further along in his development but we're talking about a team anchored by the 23 year old Kessel and 25 year old Phaneuf -- there is no urgency and plenty of time to wait for Kadri to develop.
 
Kulemin represents a package that all teams love to have. He is a big bodied, power forward winger, who is very good in his own end and can PK. The one missing ingredient is the goal scoring ability, but he has shown flashes of having it in long stretches over the last two seasons.

And that is where the problem lies. If he has that offense than he is for sure worth the money he is asking for. But he has yet to show for certain that he indeed has is, and under a cap you can't really pay based on potential.

But lots of times teams do anyway. Burke clearly has no interest in doing so though.
 
If you trade Kadri you have to get a legit #1 center back. Otherwise its not worth it.

And even then, they aren't trading Kadri.
 
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