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But we all know that wouldn't have been what happened.


You'd like to believe anything JFJ touched would have turned to shit, simply because of your hate on for him.


The fact is, he was a shit GM.....but he'd of done far less damage, in fact he very well could have done some good.....had he been allowed to start the rebuild when he wanted to.
 
Nah. I don't hate him. He's just a bad GM. And bad GM's make bad moves.

There is no way around it.

Milbury wouldn't have been better for the Islanders if they told him to go for it. He still would have ****ed it all up. Because he was a bad GM.

JFJ was a bad GM, and that is why he made bad moves. He didn't make bad moves because Peddie told him to win. He made bad moves because he was a bad GM.

Nothing was going to change that.
 
Nah. I don't hate him. He's just a bad GM. And bad GM's make bad moves.

There is no way around it.

Milbury wouldn't have been better for the Islanders if they told him to go for it. He still would have ****ed it all up. Because he was a bad GM.

JFJ was a bad GM, and that is why he made bad moves. He didn't make bad moves because Peddie told him to win. He made bad moves because he was a bad GM.

Nothing was going to change that.

Yeah, that is true.

My gosh, Milbury was epic bad. Not even McClean can touch him.
 
Nah. I don't hate him. He's just a bad GM. And bad GM's make bad moves.

There is no way around it.

Milbury wouldn't have been better for the Islanders if they told him to go for it. He still would have ****ed it all up. Because he was a bad GM.

JFJ was a bad GM, and that is why he made bad moves. He didn't make bad moves because Peddie told him to win. He made bad moves because he was a bad GM.

Nothing was going to change that.


He was a bad GM, made even worse by the heavy handedness of the board, at the 05/06 deadline........which was my whole point.


Hardly worth 3 pages of "debate"
 
ferguson also could have been full of shit and making excuses.

or maybe there was more at play here. maybe they had promised sundin that they wouldn't rebuild. we don't know.

if there's anything we should know, though, it's not to take john ferguson entirely at his word. because that guy couldn't say a damn thing straight and honest in front of the camera.
 
The premise makes sense. Except for the fact that it ignores a pretty large piece of the puzzle, which is that a moron would have been in charge of the rebuild.

Would the world be better off if BP seriously looked into their back up safety systems earlier? In theory. But how about if Sean Penn from I am Sam was in charge of it?

JFJ went full moron.
 
What were his good trades, btw? I'm trying to think of some good moves and the only ones I can think of were: Moore on waivers, Kaberle's extension
 
I'm just very opposed to the notion that the person making the decisions doesn't decide the outcome but rather what he is trying to do does.
 
Yeah, he made it up.......that's it.

you're right, it's entirely impossible that a gm who was never comfortable in front of the camera, routinely lied to and misled the media, and was dragged through the dirt by the press (and by fans) after a stint as general manager that is by and large considered an epic failure... was making up BS excuses in an exit interview where he was trying to defend the job that he did.

it's very plausible.

on the flip side, he could only be telling us half the story. what if, like leafman said, he proposed dealing antropov and kaberle to minnesota for their first round pick and pm bouchard?

we don't know.

all we have to go on is his record as gm. it wasn't good. and it makes it more likely that, had he rebuilt the team (or attempted to) that also would have been a failure.

because he was a bad gm.
 
you're right, it's entirely impossible that a gm who was never comfortable in front of the camera, routinely lied to and misled the media, and was dragged through the dirt by the press (and by fans) after a stint as general manager that is by and large considered an epic failure... was making up BS excuses in an exit interview where he was trying to defend the job that he did.

it's very plausible.

on the flip side, he could only be telling us half the story. what if, like leafman said, he proposed dealing antropov and kaberle to minnesota for their first round pick and pm bouchard?

we don't know.

all we have to go on is his record as gm. it wasn't good. and it makes it more likely that, had he rebuilt the team (or attempted to) that also would have been a failure.

because he was a bad gm.

mbow.....it's something you made up out of thin air. It'd be one thing if there was some kind of foundation to your claim, but it's literally something you just invented on the spot.
 
huh?

all i've said is that we don't know, and ferguson had a penchant for making shit up and being an idiot.

i don't think it's at all out of the realm of possibility that he said shit just to deflect blame for what transpired during his time in toronto. that's a natural reflex in most people.

on the other hand a discussion ABOUT rebuilding might have gone down but we don't know what was discussed or how it transpired or any of that.

fergusn saying 'i wanted to rebuild' doesn't mean he would have traded mccabe for ladd. maybe teh discussion was 'let's trade sundin for a 2nd rounder' and peddie told him to **** off.

we don't know. and i don't knwo why you're just accepting ferguson's statements at face value, given the context they were stated in and who was stating them.
 
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What were his good trades, btw? I'm trying to think of some good moves and the only ones I can think of were: Moore on waivers, Kaberle's extension

More importantly (to me) what were his good draft picks....


Rask, Stralman, Stalberg, Kulemin, Reimer, Gunnarson, Holzer, Rau, Dido, Ruegsegger, Mikus.


Not a bad haul over 4 drafts, considering in two of those drafts he didn't have 1st or 2nd round picks.

I think JFJ could have been far better leading a rebuild here, than some would like to admit....regardless, not being able to start a rebuild was far more detrimental to the teams long term potential, than allowing him to start it then, would of been.


Even if he shit the bed with the rebuild, the odds of him trading away the first for Rask, or a 1st for Toskala.....or any firsts at all, is considerably reduced.
 
huh?

all i've said is that we don't know, and ferguson had a penchant for making shit up and being an idiot.

i don't think it's at all out of the realm of possibility that he said shit just to deflect blame for what transpired during his time in toronto. that's a natural reflex in most people.



Is it out of the realm of possiblity?........no.


Is it at all likely?........not really, nor is it really worth wasting time discussing.
 
crediting him for a whole boat load of picks that haven't even made the nhl is going a little far.

same with giving him any credit for guys like stralman and gunnarsson.

nobody calls fletcher a drafting genius for picking kaberle in the 8th round.
 
You'd like to believe anything JFJ touched would have turned to shit, simply because of your hate on for him.


The fact is, he was a shit GM.....but he'd of done far less damage, in fact he very well could have done some good.....had he been allowed to start the rebuild when he wanted to.
Wow, you're optimistic. Pretty much every move he made as an employee of this organization was an absolute disaster, from his trades, to his free agent signings, to his coaching/front office hires. So, even if his "interference from upper-management" excuse is actually true, I'm sure an attempted re-build from JFJ would have been just as disastrous as all of his other moves.
 
Is it out of the realm of possiblity?........no.


Is it at all likely?........not really, nor is it really worth wasting time discussing.

i'd say it's very likely that he was only giving part of the story, if not making it up altogether.

there's another ex-leafs gm that goes on the radio every day and makes up stories about richard peddie and larry tanenbaum...
 
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