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LeafOfFaith said:
Yeah, because you say so.

You're clearly worried about finishing 28th instead of 27th this year, and going for the Cup next year.

That's why keeping Beauch on the team is important to you, and clearing the roster of a sophomore who in his rookie season wiped the floor with Beauchemin.

2009/2010:

Gunnarson 43 GP, 3 G 12 A 15 PTS, +8
Beauchemin 82 GP, 5 G 21 A 26 PTS, -13

But yeah, let's dump the kid that did that last year at 23 and keep the overpaid bum who did what he did at 29, and for $3M more.

Good idea.
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You simply don't appreciate what it means that Beauch has played 25 minutes per night his whole career, against the other team's top line every night.
 
Beauch reminds me of McCabe in that he is fine defensively, but when he gets the puck he can make the kind of mistakes that stick out and cause goals.
I've seen enough from Gunnarson that I'd like to see more.
Aulie and Schenn may one day be the cornerstones of this franchise.
 
LeafOfFaith said:
Gunnar is better than all those youngsters with the exception of MAYBE Aulie.
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with the exception of holzer (who played in 2 nhl games) you haven't seen those guys play. they're all younger and less experienced that gunnarsson. some of them probably won't develop into nhl'ers..... but the truth is that all of them have the tools that could one day make them better than gunnarsson. every single one of them. they're all bigger and they're all better skaters.

gunnarsson obviously brings some smarts to the table that those guys might never develop. but if they do they have the tools to be better.
 
Bleedsblue&white said:
Beauch reminds me of McCabe in that he is fine defensively, but when he gets the puck he can make the kind of mistakes that stick out and cause goals.
I've seen enough from Gunnarson that I'd like to see more.
Aulie and Schenn may one day be the cornerstones of this franchise.
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and like with mccabe, people failed to take note of the fact that.. those mistakes just sort of happen when you have that style of player on your roster.

when you play a lot and you play aggressive hockey.. mistakes happen.
 
zeke said:
I'm guessing it'll be about halfway through the season before we finally see the team I wanted to see from the start - our available capspace used on another quality top-6 winger, Kadri in the lineup full time, and our young goalies fighting over the starting spot.

ah well. maybe we get super lucky and one of our young goalies pulls a bobrovsky.
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What's that? Goes to a good team?
 
zeke said:
Aulie is the reason Gunnar is so tradeable, IMO.
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I like Aulie's potential as much as the next guy, but surely a 12 game stint with zero points and a -5 shouldn't be deemed to make Gunnar expendable just yet.

And even if Aulie tore it up, I don't see how he makes Gunnar expendable. Long term, the only defenders we have who we can say with confidence will be on the roster in two years time are Phaneuf and Schenn. Beauch will be gone, Kaberle increasingly appears to be on his way out with no extension, and Komi will still be on the bottom pair unless they find a taker for him.

And sorry, but no one in the minors has made such an impact that I would consider them a lock for a spot in the corps. Gunnar is far, far more important to us than any of you appreciate.
 
msun30 said:
with the exception of holzer (who played in 2 nhl games) you haven't seen those guys play. they're all younger and less experienced that gunnarsson. some of them probably won't develop into nhl'ers..... but the truth is that all of them have the tools that could one day make them better than gunnarsson. every single one of them. they're all bigger and they're all better skaters.

gunnarsson obviously brings some smarts to the table that those guys might never develop. but if they do they have the tools to be better.
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Actually, I've seen every single one of them play. If you're talking NHL regular season games, then no, no one has seen them play, but that in itself should be a reason not to toss Gunnar to the curb just yet.

And based on your comments, I just don't think you have any appreciation at all for Gunnar's talent and skillset. In all likelihood, not one of those guys would have put up the rookie season Gunnar did last year. Including Aulie obviously, based on the 12 game sample we have, and he's the best of the bunch.

It's like you're completely dismissing what Gunnar has accomplished so far. And all just to defend Beauchemin, I think.
 
Bleedsblue&white said:
Beauch reminds me of McCabe in that he is fine defensively, but when he gets the puck he can make the kind of mistakes that stick out and cause goals.
I've seen enough from Gunnarson that I'd like to see more.
Aulie and Schenn may one day be the cornerstones of this franchise.
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Exactly. And Beauch has a penchant for those miscues at the absolute worst times, it generally seems. And unlike McCabe, who I think was much better defensively than Beauch, Beauch doesn't put up a fraction of the offense so that we can say, okay fine, well, I'll live with the miscues if I have to to get those 50 - 60 points he brings.
 
LeafOfFaith said:
I like Aulie's potential as much as the next guy, but surely a 12 game stint with zero points and a -5 shouldn't be deemed to make Gunnar expendable just yet.

And even if Aulie tore it up, I don't see how he makes Gunnar expendable. Long term, the only defenders we have who we can say with confidence will be on the roster in two years time are Phaneuf and Schenn. Beauch will be gone, Kaberle increasingly appears to be on his way out with no extension, and Komi will still be on the bottom pair unless they find a taker for him.

And sorry, but no one in the minors has made such an impact that I would consider them a lock for a spot in the corps. Gunnar is far, far more important to us than any of you appreciate.
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To be honest, Gunnar has flat out struggled this year, and it's arguable whether he should even be in the NHL right now, despite his extremely impressive debut last year. And Aulie has been at least as good this year, though not as good as Gunnar was last year.
 
Yep, trade freeze lifts the 27th.

3 of the top 4 threads are non-Leaf related. Berezin and Habsy are sad about it.

Time to drink.

:drink
 
zeke said:
To be honest, Gunnar has flat out struggled this year, and it's arguable whether he should even be in the NHL right now, despite his extremely impressive debut last year. And Aulie has been at least as good this year, though not as good as Gunnar was last year.
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Aulie also made his debut 2 yrs younger than Gunner made his. Aulie is massive, already much tougher along the boards and a much better skater. A much, much more intriguing prospect.
 
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