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LeafOfFaith said:
Actually, I've seen every single one of them play. If you're talking NHL regular season games, then no, no one has seen them play, but that in itself should be a reason not to toss Gunnar to the curb just yet.

And based on your comments, I just don't think you have any appreciation at all for Gunnar's talent and skillset. In all likelihood, not one of those guys would have put up the rookie season Gunnar did last year. Including Aulie obviously, based on the 12 game sample we have, and he's the best of the bunch.

It's like you're completely dismissing what Gunnar has accomplished so far. And all just to defend Beauchemin, I think.
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when did i dismiss what gunnarsson has accomplished? you're just overrating whatever he accomplished last year. he had an impressive rookie season -- i have said it about a half dozen times in this thread. but that doesn't change the fact that he has been pretty bad this year.
 
Aulie looks pretty awesome in today's game, and apparently he looked real good last game as well.
 
Reading all of your posts, we need to take into account this is his softmore slump year. Defenseman in particular tend to suffer the sophmore slump more than others.. or at least is more noticeable as a defenseman. Schenn suffered it.

I am not saying Gunnar is schenn, but you have to take into account that he could be playing poorer this year because of that. Now if it is Gunnar for Langs, then hot diggity you do it. I think you can resign Langs and he brings a good veteren presence on the forward group that desperately needs it.
 
I don't get it. What are we shooting for this year to trade Gunnar for Langs?

Just another short sighted trade to set us back even further.
 
I have NEVER understood the obsession that some fans in sports develop with certain players that they hate. I just don't get it. I never liked guys like Lumme, Berg, Cross, Khristich, Toskala etc. but I never obsessed over them at every possible opportunity.
 
It has NOTHING to do with hating him. I actually think he's played well the last 15 games or so. This is about a choice between two players to trade, hypothetically.

We are a bottom three overall team.

If we can get the exact same player back in a trade for Beauch or Gunnar, who do we trade?

The 24 year old coming off a strong rookie year, who is cheap and under our control for some time yet, and who could be a big contributor when we're ready to compete?

Or the 30 year old, coming off a bad year, playing well only recently, making $3.8M, and almost certainly not going to be re-signed after next season?

If you guys choose Beauch, it's either senseless hate of Gunnar or wild overrating of Beauch. No two ways about it.
 
Firstly, Beauchemin hasn't started playing well just recently. Secondly, you keep mentioning his age like he's an over the hill geezer, and it's an imperative reason to trade him ASAP. But for most defensemen, 30 years old is just entering the prime of their career. We could keep him for at the very least five or six seasons after this one, and reasonably expect to get around the same level of play that he's giving us now. Which is also why your continued assertion that he "almost certainly" is not going to be re-signed is ridiculous. What crystal ball did you pull that prediction out of? And then as much as I appreciate Gunnarsson, I don't expect him at any point in the next five or six years to become as good a defenseman, or as much of a workhorse as Beauchemin is, and will continue to be.
 
If you guys choose Beauch, it's either senseless hate of Gunnar or wild overrating of Beauch. No two ways about i
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lmao. you're ridiculous. the whole problem here is YOUR senseless hate for beauchemin and wild overrating of gunnarsson.
 
Gunnarsson and Beauchemin aren't even comparable players in terms of style, quality of play aside.

Why are we talking about choosing one over the other at all?
 
LeafGm said:
Firstly, Beauchemin hasn't started playing well just recently. Secondly, you keep mentioning his age like he's an over the hill geezer, and it's an imperative reason to trade him ASAP. But for most defensemen, 30 years old is just entering the prime of their career. We could keep him for at the very least five or six seasons after this one, and reasonably expect to get around the same level of play that he's giving us now. Which is also why your continued assertion that he "almost certainly" is not going to be re-signed is ridiculous. What crystal ball did you pull that prediction out of? And then as much as I appreciate Gunnarsson, I don't expect him at any point in the next five or six years to become as good a defenseman, or as much of a workhorse as Beauchemin is, and will continue to be.
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Guess you guys will just have to wait and see, as usual. Doesn't take a crystal ball to know Beauch will be gone soon. But hopefully Gunnar stays. And two or three years down the road we can all act like we all knew Gunnar should've been kept and Beauch should've been dumped, when the former outshines the latter, regardless of where they're each playing at the time.

All this talk about Beauch being a cup winning defender is funny. Without Pronger and Neidermayer that one year, Beauch would've been exactly what he is now. An average, passable second pairing guy who the team could easily live without.
 
beauchemin led all three in ice time, played more on the penalty than niedermayer and pronger, and got 2.5 minutes more even strength ice time.

but, yeah, he was an average passable second pair guy that they could have lived without.

come on.
 
yeah, beauchemin was the best defenseman on that team.

**** off. strawman arguments are like empty net goals -- they're for homos.
 
It's just too funny already.

The guy was drafted 12 years ago, has played really just 6 seasons in the NHL, cracked 30 points once, had a minus rating in each season except two, and over the last two years has been an absolute shit show defensively (with the exception of the last 15 games or so), and we still need to refer back to a cup win years ago where Pronger and Nieds were on the backend in pumping him up.

As if watching him be poor defensively and pretty useless offensively for two years now didn't tell the whole story.
 
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