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different eras. Mike Bullard scored 100pts for that team. Hakan Loob had 50 and 100 for that team. Defenseman Gary Suter finished with 91pts for that team, 1 point back of Nieuwy.

Staal had 30 as an 18 year old rookie. Was a calder nominee but lost to Malkin.
 
'88 Flames:

F H.Loob: 80gms, 50gls, 106pts
F M.Bullard: 79gms, 48gls, 102pts
F J.Nieuwendyk: 75gms, 51gls, 92pts
D G.Suter: 75gms, 21gls, 91pts
F J.Mullen: 80gms, 40gls, 84pts
D A.MacInnis: 80gms, 25gls, 83pts


different era.
 
zeke said:
'88 Flames:

F H.Loob: 80gms, 50gls, 106pts
F M.Bullard: 79gms, 48gls, 102pts
F J.Nieuwendyk: 75gms, 51gls, 92pts
D G.Suter: 75gms, 21gls, 91pts
F J.Mullen: 80gms, 40gls, 84pts
D A.MacInnis: 80gms, 25gls, 83pts


different era.
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and remember that those two years (88 and 89)with the stacked flames teams, were newys most productive ..... he never again got 50 goals.
Very nice player, but not a superstar by any measure.
Next everyone will be saying he was a real clutch guy in the playoffs .... except for the one year with dallas ... his stats leave alot to be desired for a A1 player.
If we are going to pay or overpay, I personally would be alot happier with malkin or crosby instead of overpaying for a 2nd line center....... Stajan will be alot cheaper ... lol
 
i get the nieuwendyk comparison.. but that's more of a role comparative than a stylistic one.

if you're talking about a top notch second line centre (borderline first line centre) who plays fundamentally solid hockey, is smart and plays well in all three zones then yes, they are comparable.

in terms of how they play the game.. they really aren't alike at all.
 
and that's upside for staal. he isn't there yet (and might never get there).

nieuwendyk was a finesse guy through and through. he had wheels and was a top notch skater. staal plays a bigger game, and doesn't skate nearly as well.
 
Regular season Playoffs
Player # GP G A Pts PIM GP G A Pts PIM
Hakan Loob 12 80 50 56 106 47 9 1 9 10 6
Mike Bullard 22 79 48 55 103 68 6 0 2 2 6
Joe Nieuwendyk 25 75 51 41 92 23 8 3 4 7 2
Gary Suter 20 75 21 70 91 124 9 1 9 10 6
Joe Mullen 7 80 40 44 84 30 7 2 4 6 10
Al MacInnis 2 80 25 58 83 114 7 3 6 9 18
John Tonelli 27 74 17 41 58 84 6 2 5 7 8
Joel Otto 29 62 13 39 52 194 9 3 2 5 24
Jim Peplinski 24 75 20 31 51 234 9 0 5 5 45
Brett Hull‡ 16 52 26 24 50 12 - - - - -
Brad McCrimmon 4 80 7 35 42 98 9 2 3 5 22
Carey Wilson‡ 33 34 9 11 20 18 - - - - -
Gary Roberts 10 74 13 15 28 282 9 2 3 5 29
Lanny McDonald 9 60 10 13 23 57 9 3 1 4 6
Perry Berezan 21 29 7 12 19 66 8 0 2 2 13
Brian Glynn 32 67 5 14 19 87 1 0 0 0 0
Colin Patterson 11 39 7 11 18 28 9 1 0 1 8
Ric Nattress 6 63 2 13 15 37 6 1 3 4 0
Tim Hunter 19 68 8 5 13 337 9 4 0 4 32
Dana Murzyn† 5 41 6 5 11 94 5 2 0 2 13
Steve Bozek‡ 26 26 3 7 10 12 - - - - -
Neil Sheehy‡ 5 36 2 6 8 73 - - - - -
Jiri Hrdina 17 9 2 5 7 2 1 0 0 0 0
Rob Ramage† 55 12 1 6 7 37 9 1 3 4 21
Mike Vernon 30 64 0 7 7 47 9 0 2 2 2
Shane Churla† 15 29 1 5 6 132 7 0 1 1 17
Craig Coxe† 18 7 2 3 5 32 2 1 0 1 16
Paul Reinhart 23 14 0 4 4 10 8 2 7 9 6
Kevan Guy 3 11 0 3 3 8 - - - - -
Doug Dadswell 36 25 0 2 2 2 - - - - -
Rich Chernomaz 33 2 1 0 1 0 - - - - -
Randy Bucyk 18 2 0 0 0 0 - - - - -
Rick Wamsley 31 2 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0
Bob Bodak 28 3 0 0 0 22 - - - - -
 
msun30 said:
i get the nieuwendyk comparison.. but that's more of a role comparative than a stylistic one.

if you're talking about a top notch second line centre (borderline first line centre) who plays fundamentally solid hockey, is smart and plays well in all three zones then yes, they are comparable.

in terms of how they play the game.. they really aren't alike at all.
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disagree entirely.

both are big strong but not overly physical excellent skating centremen who made their name on strong two-way play, and boatloads of character. Offensively, both are also both similar level top-notch 2nd line type talents, with both being shoot-first cycling offensive players.
 
I just think CRL is making a prediction. I wouldnt be suprised though if Wadell tries to reunite Poni with Antropov. If we trade with the Trashers hopefully we could get NJ's first rounder back for him or a prospect such as ( Klingberg or Morin) and a second rounder.
 
LeafGm said:
If his name was "Jordan Smith", people wouldn't be so quick to fap off at the mere mention of his name. He may be 6'4", and his last name may be Staal, but he still only scores at the same level as Matt Stajan. Which also happens to be below the level that Kaberle is scoring at....as a defenseman.

Kaberle > Staal
Schenn > Goligoski
Pens 1st rounder = 25-30th overall, and not making up the difference

Honestly man...give your head a shake about that trade proposal. I think I'll hang on to the #1 defenseman who IS scoring at a 60+ point pace (and who does look great paired with Komi, btw), and take a pass on the center who's scoring at his regular 45-50 point pace, but might actually be a #1 center in disguise because his last name is Staal. And then I won't even get into swapping Schenn for Goligoski. I'm not Schenn's biggest fan, but he carries far more trade value than that.
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If you don't like that trade, fair enough.

I assure you of one thing though... you are severely underrating Staal. I don't care if his last name is Smith, Staal or Gretzky. He's an awesome player.

Try watching him play a few games... his stats are very deceiving. Put him in an offensive roll and he will put up much bigger offensive numbers. Plus he's a spectacular defensive forward.
 
msun30 said:
and that's upside for staal. he isn't there yet (and might never get there).

nieuwendyk was a finesse guy through and through. he had wheels and was a top notch skater. staal plays a bigger game, and doesn't skate nearly as well.
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Doesn't skate nearly as well? Have you seen Staal play? The guy is an excellent skater, powerful and fast.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKHRYu9Lrbs"]YouTube- Jordan Staal - Short Handed Goal 6-4-2009[/ame]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCiNnx19PwY&NR=1"]YouTube- Jordan Staal SH Goal[/ame]

Here's his 7 SHGs as a rookie. His skating has improved since then... and it was pretty impressive then.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTqRrJxYTPg&feature=related"]YouTube- Jordan Staals 7 Shorthanded goals[/ame]
 
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