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leafman101 said:
Last two years:

Stajan: 138 gms, 33 gls, 100 pts (82 gms, 20 gls, 60 pts)
Weiss: 137 gms, 35 gls, 109 pts (82 gms, 21 gls, 65 pts)

Weiss is so great!
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you've probably seen weiss play like 3 times. i've played against him since he was a markham waxer as a kid.. he's better than mr 2 years of midget stajan will ever dream to be.
 
leafman101 said:
I'm almost positive you forgot to watch them play.

Also don't forget Weiss plays way more.
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that's because hes better in every aspect of the game. i'm not saying he's going to be elite or even a first line center.. but hes a much much much much much better 2nd line center than stajan. it isn't even close at all really.
 
Maybe I'm wrong - but my perception is that Weiss is a better skater, has a better shot and better offensive instincts. He's got 20-25 goal upside and with a legitimate sniper at his side could push 80 pts.
 
Preston_Mizzi said:
you've probably seen weiss play like 3 times. i've played against him since he was a markham waxer as a kid.. he's better than mr 2 years of midget stajan will ever dream to be.
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Hah. So the truth comes out. He dominated you as a kid, so you still think he's that good.

I'll give you a hint, NHL players are a lot better than you.
 
leafman101 said:
Btw,

Bozak: (23) 16 gms, 3 gls, 11 pts, 56.8% FO (82 gms, 15 gls, 56 pts)

He'll be better than both.
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16 GAMES.. REALLY?!? i love bozak but relax a little.. he's played 16 games and has looked good. he certainly doesn't have more upside than weiss, and is most definitely not a safer bet than weiss to reach that potential.

oh and btw, weiss is clearly way more talented than stajan.. i played against him too and while he played 2 years of midget, i was in jr a.. weiss just has much more upside than stajan.. he simply has way more natural talent than stajan has... and it looks like now that he has gotten past his injury problems, he is finally developing into more of what people thought he would be.
 
One thing Burke has done pretty well, is identify the true elite talent, and pour his resources to get those elite players on his team.

For the rest of the roster, he looks for the right characters at the right price ...

Weiss, like Stajan, is secondary player. As a center, I think if we get a center he has to be a true 1st line center. We've got Bozak, Grabs, maybe even Hanson and Kadri who can fill in that spot on the 2nd line.
 
At 25 Datsyuk scored at a 30+ goal 74 point pace.

At 26, there was the lockout.

At 27, he scored 87 points.

Not just as good. At 24 Datsyuk was as good as Weiss at 26.
 
i hate how leaf fans act like they don't need quality players just because they think tyler bozak is going to be better.. then they want horrible players like backes for no reason at all. it's kind of funny i guess..
 
Preston_Mizzi said:
i hate how leaf fans act like they don't need quality players just because they think tyler bozak is going to be better.. then they want horrible players like backes for no reason at all. it's kind of funny i guess..
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No its the opposite. They DO need quality players, not more 2nd liners.
 
number17 said:
One thing Burke has done pretty well, is identify the true elite talent, and pour his resources to get those elite players on his team.

For the rest of the roster, he looks for the right characters at the right price ...

Weiss, like Stajan, is secondary player. As a center, I think if we get a center he has to be a true 1st line center. We've got Bozak, Grabs, maybe even Hanson and Kadri who can fill in that spot on the 2nd line.
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I'm pretty sure our only hope of achieving a true 1st line centre will come with dumb-luck during free-agency. Of the players in our system, Kadri is the only one with first line "potential".

I'm not sure Burke has the assets to trade for anymore first-line players.

I also think that Weiss has been pidgeon-holed as a 2nd line talent because he's taken longer to develop. Injuries and a combination of Mike Keenan and Jacques Martin have conspired to impede his NHL progress. It's no coincidence that once he finally got a coach that had confidence in him - that he's finally starting to breakout.
 
leafman101 said:
No its the opposite. They DO need quality players, not more 2nd liners.
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the leafs currently have one forward who is better than weiss. if you can get him at a good price, you go for it. you can't just say "nah he's a second line player so forget him". gm's don't do that at all haha.
 
But he's 'breaking out' to be a 20G/60Pts player ... which really doesn't say much about him.

I mean, he's pretty comparable to Stajan except he's smaller, and not as good defensively. I, too, would rather bring back Stajan.
 
I really don't get your fascination with Backes, but it makes no sense to me how you could absolutely love a 26 year old, 60 point 2nd line center, but think that a 25 year old 30 goal, 50 point power forward sucks.

Ironic.
 
BG said:
I also think that Weiss has been pidgeon-holed as a 2nd line talent because he's taken longer to develop. Injuries and a combination of Mike Keenan and Jacques Martin have conspired to impede his NHL progress. It's no coincidence that once he finally got a coach that had confidence in him - that he's finally starting to breakout.
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yep.. weiss is going to explode on an offensive minded team as long as he stays healthy.
 
Preston_Mizzi said:
the leafs currently have one forward who is better than weiss. if you can get him at a good price, you go for it. you can't just say "nah he's a second line player so forget him". gm's don't do that at all haha.
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Yeah they do actually. Lots of GM's are against paying big money for 2nd liners.

The Leafs don't need a guy like Weiss.
 
number17 said:
But he's 'breaking out' to be a 20G/60Pts player ... which really doesn't say much about him.

I mean, he's pretty comparable to Stajan except he's smaller, and not as good defensively. I, too, would rather bring back Stajan.
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he's faster, much better defensively, has a better shot, and has much more skill.

where did you get that weiss is not as good defensively? that's actually his biggest strength as an nhl player.. jesus christ guys, try watching these guys play before you make such bold statements about them.
 
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