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JackBurton said:
I hated the Raycroft trade the second I heard it. And not because I knew it would turn out so badly, it was because it was such an unnecesary trade. What was the rush to decide between Pogge/Rask? Why not just sign Manny Legace for free? (who wanted to come to the Leafs)There was no point to the trade at all.
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That's the key point. Goalie prospects are really difficult to call. You want as many great prospects in your system as possible. You don't choose one when they are still very young and haven't seen NHL gametime, because there's every chance one of them wont pan out. Pretty much everyone on these boards stressed the fact at that time, yet it seemed to not occur to JFJ.

Besides, as I recall, Rask was always the higher rated prospect? Am I right in saying that Pogge was considered to have worked damn hard to increase his stock after draft day, whereas Rask was always considered to have had the higher level of natural ability.

Dumb, dumb trade. Especially since the guy we traded for had just come off such a shoddy season.
 
The worst part is they could have signed Raycroft to an offer sheet for the same money they gave him, and all it would have cost was a 2nd.

And there was no way Boston would match, because Raycroft sucked balls.
 
j_15 said:
That's the key point. Goalie prospects are really difficult to call. You want as many great prospects in your system as possible. You don't choose one when they are still very young and haven't seen NHL gametime, because there's every chance one of them wont pan out. Pretty much everyone on these boards stressed the fact at that time, yet it seemed to not occur to JFJ.

Besides, as I recall, Rask was always the higher rated prospect? Am I right in saying that Pogge was considered to have worked damn hard to increase his stock after draft day, whereas Rask was always considered to have had the higher level of natural ability.

Dumb, dumb trade. Especially since the guy we traded for had just come off such a shoddy season.
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Yup. Statistically speaking, it's no suprise one goalie turned out to be a bust and one is playing like a star. There was no point to deciding on one so early. A goalie like Raycroft really wasn't needed. Just sign a free, veteren "Stop-Gap" and wait to see who turns out better between Pogge/Rask.
 
All of his transactions/trades...

2003/04

* Signed UFA Joe Nieuwendyk
* Signed UFA Ken Klee
* Lost Travis Green via Waiver Draft
* Traded D Ric Jackman to PIT for D Drake Berehowsky
* Signed UFA Calle Johansson
* Claimed Chad Kilger off waivers from MTL
* Claimed Craig Johnson off waivers from ANA
* Lost Craig Johnson to WAS via waivers
* Traded 2005 4th round pick to CAR for Ron Francis
* Traded Maxim Kondratiev, rights to Jarkko Immonen, 2004 1st round pick and 2005 2nd round pick to NYR for Brian Leetch

2004/05 (Pre-lockout)

* Signed undrafted free agent Andy Wozniewski
* Re-signed Ed Belfour to a three-year contract
* Re-signed Gary Roberts and Joe Nieuwendyk to one-year deals
* Re-signed Ken Klee to a two-year deal
* Did not re-sign UFA's Robert Reichel, Mikael Renberg, Tom Fitzgerald, Drake Berehowsky, Trevor Kidd, Bryan Marchment, Calle Johansson & Ron Francis

2005/06

* Bought out Owen Nolan
* Acquired Jeff O'Neill from CAR for a conditional 2006 draft pick
* Signed UFA's Eric Lindros, Mariusz Czerkawski, Alex Khavanov & Jason Allison to one-year deals
* Signed UFA J.S. Aubin to a two-year deal
* Re-signed Tie Domi to a two-year deal
* Did not re-sign UFA's Alex Mogilny, Brian Leetch, Gary Roberts & Joe Nieuwendyk
* Traded Nathan Perrott to DAL for 2006 6th round pick
* Lost Mariusz Czerkawski to BOS via waivers
* Traded 2006 5th round pick to CBJ for Luke Richardson
* Traded Ken Klee to NJ for Aleksander Suglobov
* Re-signed Tomas Kaberle to a five-year deal
* Re-signed Chad Kilger to a three-year deal

2006/07

* Traded rights to Tuukka Rask to BOS for Andrew Raycroft
* Bought out Tie Domi
* Declined option on Ed Belfour
* Re-signed Bryan McCabe to a five-year deal
* Signed UFA Pavel Kubina to a four-year deal
* Signed UFA Hal Gill to a three-year deal
* Signed UFA's Michael Peca, Boyd Devereaux and Bates Battaglia to one-year deals
* Did not re-sign UFA's Aki Berg, Luke Richardson, Alex Khavanov, Eric Lindros, Jason Allison and Clarke Wilm
* Traded Mikael Tellqvist to PHX for Tyson Nash and 2007 4th round pick
* Claimed Travis Green off waivers from ANA
* Traded Brendan Bell & 2008 2nd round pick to PHX for Yanic Perreault & 2008 5th round pick
* Re-signed Darcy Tucker to three-year deal
* Re-signed Boyd Devereaux and Nik Antropov to a two-year deal
* Re-signed Mats Sundin to one-year deal

2007/08

* Traded 2007 1st & 2nd round picks & 2009 4th round pick to San Jose for Vesa Toskala & Mark Bell
 
You forgot he brought Douggie back ;)

I think JFJ drafted pretty well in general, and the contract he managed to sign Kaberle to is a very good deal for the team too.
 
ahhh k....I was wondering about Moore because it wasnt on the list.

Kilger off waivers was decent as well... at least I think so.
 
Hey just a thought. We all agree it would be great for the leafs to land a proven center who can play in our top 6. Do you think it would be possible to get Bergeron of the Bruins? Was just a thought given they have Savard, and doesn't Krejic play center there to?. I wouldn't mind making a run for Carter. Lombardi would be a good guy to aqquire as well but not as a top center.
 
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