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Staal's offensive ceiling is unproven, that much is true.

I do believe he can be a 25-30G/70-80Pts center if given the PP minutes though. He has the size, he is an excellent skater, he reads plays exceptionally well, and is very hockey smart. He is getting very little PP minutes in Pittsburgh and that's the biggest reason he isn't scoring more often.

It's not a certainty, obviously, but I'm more than willing to take this gamble.
 
if Savard truly wants out, I would offer up crap just to see if you can get it. Grabs and Mitchell... if you don't like it then oh well
 
I do believe he can be a 25-30G/70-80Pts center if given the PP minutes though.
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This is where I get lost in the Staal argument.

1:54 & 2:19 (totals from last 2 seasons) PP time per game is not "very little" PP time, it's just not. Don't get me wrong, it's not a ton by any stretch, but I just don't see an increase of 1+ minutes of PP time increasing his scoring rates by 20+ points per season.

What has Staal done with his 346 minutes of PP time over the last 2 seasons?

3 ****ing PP goals
 
and yes, that's correct. Jordan Staal has spent 5.76 hours on the Power Play in the last 2 seasons and has 3 goals to show for it.
 
ME, last season Staal ranked 9th on the team for PP TOI/Game.

9th.

Not only he only got 1:54 per game on average, he got to play with the crappy linemates at the tail end of PP.

Staal's 21G/49Pts was good enough for 4th best on the Pens. If given more PP minutes I believe he can be a lot more productive.
 
Montana said:
Something I'd never noticed till just now, is how incredibly similar Staal an Kadri's early OHL careers were.


Jordan Staal(15) - 66gp, 6g, 28pts (82gp, 7g, 35pts)
Nazem Kadri (15) - 62gp, 7g, 22pts (82gp, 9g, 29pts)


Jordan Staal (16) 68gp, 28g, 68pts (82gp, 34g, 82pts)
Nazem Kadri (16) 68gp, 25g, 65pts (82gp, 30g, 78pts)
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If we feel confident in Kadri becoming a 25/70 player....fair to assume Staal has just as good a chance?
 
number17 said:
ME, last season Staal ranked 9th on the team for PP TOI/Game.
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5th among forwards...and no, Poni doesn't count.

Not only he only got 1:54 per game on average, he got to play with the crappy linemates at the tail end of PP.
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3 goals in nearly 6 hours of PP time over 2 years? What has he done to earn a more premier PP role?

Guerin scored 11 PP goals last year alone, Staal deserves Guerin's PP minutes just because?

Staal's 21G/49Pts was good enough for 4th best on the Pens. If given more PP minutes I believe he can be a lot more productive.
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and that's great. Nothing he has done suggests this will be the truth though.

Think about it, let it sink in. 3 PP goals in 5.76 hours of PP time over the last 2 seasons...he won't have Crosby & Malkin here in Toronto to not play with either.
 
MindzEye said:
5th among forwards...and no, Poni doesn't count.



3 goals in nearly 6 hours of PP time over 2 years? What has he done to earn a more premier PP role?

Guerin scored 11 PP goals last year alone, Staal deserves Guerin's PP minutes just because?



and that's great. Nothing he has done suggests this will be the truth though.

Think about it, let it sink in. 3 PP goals in 5.76 hours of PP time over the last 2 seasons...he won't have Crosby & Malkin here in Toronto to not play with either.
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Like I said Staal is a 3rd liner, a very excellent 3rd liner.
 
Montana said:
If we feel confident in Kadri becoming a 25/70 player....fair to assume Staal has just as good a chance?
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Hard to say, in my CHL stats digging I found the highest correlation concerning ultimate NHL offensive upside in a player's 1st post draft season. Staal of course played in the NHL during that season, so I'm unwilling to commit one way or the other based on his CHL numbers. It's unfair to punish him for playing in the NHL as an 18 yr old, but it just can't be taken on assumption that he would light it up in his first post draft season either as offensive stagnation/regression is actually fairly common in that first post draft season.

Kadri of course, did play in the CHL during his first post draft season and did light it up.
 
Think about it, let it sink in. 3 PP goals in 5.76 hours of PP time over the last 2 seasons...he won't have Crosby & Malkin here in Toronto to not play with either.
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No, and not like he actually played with those 2 centers in Pittsburgh.

In Toronto he'll start every PP, he'll be playing with Kessel and Phaneuf.

Heck if Stempniak could get 12 PP Points in Toronto ... you gotta think Staal can too!
 
Pronger84 said:
Like I said Staal is a 3rd liner, a very excellent 3rd liner.
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Nah, he's clearly a 2nd line calibre centre right now, the question is whether or not he has the offensive chops to be a 1st line centre or if his career upside is just that of a fantastic 2 way 2nd line centre.
 
JaysCyYoung said:
Your numbers are off by a year there, Montana. They were 16 year-olds as rookies and 17 year-olds in their second year.
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I just went with their listed ages on db....not really too pertinent either way, more interested in their rookie/sophmore seasons being so incredibly similar.
 
number17 said:
No, and not like he actually played with those 2 centers in Pittsburgh.

In Toronto he'll start every PP, he'll be playing with Kessel and Phaneuf.

Heck if Stempniak could get 12 PP Points in Toronto ... you gotta think Staal can too!
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12 PPP would be an increase of 6 points on his annual totals. So we're up to 55 points.

I'm just really curious where this additional 15 points is coming from...and that's just to get him to the bottom end of the 70-80 point range being argued.
 
hockeylover said:
It's annoying that Markov has a year left on his deal and you know if he were on the block, everyone would be asking the world for him yet we have to put up with people suggesting things like "Hamill and a 2nd round pick!" for Kaberle.
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Sure, Habs fans would expect Crosby for Markov but we all know that would never happen. Kaberle is not going to get you top tier talent right now. As I have said numerous times, I just don't see Burke moving him because of it. At best Burke waits until the deadline because he will probably get the same return then as now.
 
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