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Heck, we need one or two more forwards to COMPETE for a CUP. As long as Burke keeps entertaining US and protecting his players, they will go through a wall for him.

Besides getting some more BITE up front. It is absolutely PARAMOUNT that he get rid of Wilson IN THE SUMMER.

Get a forward or two, and FIRE WILSON. Wilson is too acerbic, dresses too badly and is too ugly to coach a Stanley Cup Champion.

Get Joel Quenneville 2.0. I have his number 416-489-80 - -. If the Leafs hired MY GUY, they would go all the way very soon. He is Joel Quenneville 2.0.

Passionate AND CALM. Is what they need. Wilson is cold and sarcastic. Worst thing a team needs that is young.
 
msun30 said:
that isn't a fair price. that's an awful trade and boston would never do it.
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From our perspective, that should be the fairest price we're willing to offer.

Boston wants to DUMP Savard right now. They're not getting back good value (picks or prospects) for a concussed 32 year old who is just starting a lengthy and rich deal.

This is not gonna be a value trade, regardless of where they send him.
 
Like others have said, the contract really isn't risky at all. First of all, he isn't making 1st line money. He only ahs a $4 million cap hit. And in the last 3 years he makes absolutely no money. You know how easy it will be to dump a contract on a team with a $4 million cap, but they only have to pay him less than $1 million.

He has a great ****ing contract.
 
7 years @ $4 mil caphit for a likely to be ineffective player for most of that time. How is that a good contact?

Makes Blake's contract look good.
 
You're focused on the last few years, but what about the first few years? He was wholly inadequate this past season after all the injuries.

Why don't we spend our assets on someone in the mold of our other main players, to build a proper long term core? Why waste them to add a player on the downswing, with new found injury troubles, who may not return to form?
 
He scored at a 66 point pace this year. That is well worth $4 million.

And that is despite the injuries, and playing on a team where EVERYONE took a step back offensively this year.

Savards not done as a front line player. But even if he is, he would be earning that contract.

If he rebounds its an absolute steal. And he should.
 
LeafOfFaith said:
Why don't we spend our assets on someone in the mold of our other main players, to build a proper long term core? Why waste them to add a player on the downswing, with new found injury troubles, who may not return to form?
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Because the Leafs aren't going to find a player better than Savard.
 
zeke said:
if there were no mitigating factors (like length of contract and injuries), it would cost a whole lot more than one year of Kabby to get Savard.

but to be more specific, when I talk about best bargain, I'm talking purely about caphit right now - i.e. a legit PPG+ centre for $4 mil.

the length of the deal isn't so pretty, though. nor the injuries. and it does seem like Boston has backed themselves into a corner.

and saying that I might deal Kabby for Savvy, doesn't mean that it would necessarily be one for one.
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Sure Savard's deal could end up lasting 7 years but it's extremely unlikely that he keeps playing past 4 years. Do you really see him playing for $1.5mil in year 5 of the deal? How about $0.525mil in years 6 and 7?

Even IF he does stick around which is highly unlikely, his cap hit even then is still only $4mil.
 
A guy who has scored a ppg or higher every year going back to 2003, and is one of the best offensive players in the NHL, is.

Kovy is the only better player out there right now.
 
I'm not saying I wouldn't want him under any circumstances. He may well rebound and be a very good player.

But he's a risk from our end and a problem from Boston's end, and those types of players don't get traded for good value. They get traded for other problems.
 
And Savard scored 22 points in his first 24 games last year. Then he got hurt.

Then when he came back he scored 9 points in 9 games before the concussion.

He was still a top offensive producer when healthy last year.
 
LeafOfFaith said:
I'm not saying I wouldn't want him under any circumstances. He may well rebound and be a very good player.

But he's a risk from our end and a problem from Boston's end, and those types of players don't get traded for good value. They get traded for other problems.
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No. They get traded for less than they would without the problems, nto for garbage.

Savard wouldn't even be available but for the risk. His price is WAY down.

And most rumours say the Leafs won't give Kaberle for him anyway.
 
Age 32: 41gms, 10gls, 33pts, 18:35 (82gms, 20gls, 66pts)
Age 31: 82gms, 25gls, 88pts, 19:32 (82gms, 25gls, 88pts)
Age 30: 74gms, 15gls, 78pts, 20:31 (82gms, 17gls, 86pts)
Age 29: 82gms, 22gls, 96pts, 20:13 (82gms, 22gls, 96pts)
Age 28: 82gms, 28gls, 97pts, 20:30 (82gms, 28gls, 97pts)
Age 27: lockout
Age 26: 45gms, 19gls, 52pts, 22:19 (82gms, 35gls, 95pts)
Age 25: 67gms, 17gls, 50pts, 19:04 (82gms, 21gls, 61pts)
Age 24: 56gms, 14gls, 33pts, 17:20 (82gms, 21gls, 48pts)
Age 23: 77gms, 23gls, 65pts, 19:13 (82gms, 25gls, 69pts)
Age 22: 78gms, 22gls, 53pts, 16:36 (82gms, 23gls, 56pts)
Age 21: 70gms, 9gls, 45pts, 14:35 (82gms, 11gls, 53pts)
Age 20: 28gms, 1gls, 6pts (82gms, 3gls, 18pts)

Total: 782gms, 205gls, 696pts, 18:55 (82gms, 22gls, 73pts)
Post-Lockout: 361gms, 100gls, 392pts (82gms, 23gls, 89pts)

Playoffs:

Age 32: 7gms, 1gls, 3pts, 17:22 (82gms, 12gls, 35pts)
Age 31: 11gms, 6gls, 13pts, 19:36 (82gms, 45gls, 97pts)
Age 30: 7gms, 1gls, 6pts, 17:06 (82gms, 12gls, 70pts)

Total: 25gms, 8gls, 22pts, 18:16 (82gms, 26gls, 72pts)



Not sure what to think of him in terms of trade value.

I think $4 mil caphit is still a bargain for him - heck, it's worth it even if he falls down to 60pt level production.

But there's definitely enough concerns to dramatically reduce his trade value.

What he's worth, of course, is highly, highly dependant on his medical reports.
 
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Habspatrol said:
Sure Savard's deal could end up lasting 7 years but it's extremely unlikely that he keeps playing past 4 years. Do you really see him playing for $1.5mil in year 5 of the deal? How about $0.525mil in years 6 and 7?

Even IF he does stick around which is highly unlikely, his cap hit even then is still only $4mil.
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even if he wants to play and sucks, we can waive him at that point, and not feel very guilty about it considering he'd have been paid most of his contract already anyways.
 
MacKenzie:
IF Marc Savard goes to TOR, and there is a chance it may happen, Kaberle won't be part of it. It would be a "softer" trade.
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"Soft" deal doesn't involve significant roster players or high end draft pick(s). If BOS moves Savard, with that contract, return not high.Creating cap space is the most valuable asset BOS would get back in a Savard deal. And that is not to be minimized. Ask teams up against cap
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Kyper:
Told Charielli and Burke are expected to talk next week. Rumblings are Bost may be willing to make a soft deal to unload Savard's contract
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zeke said:
even if he wants to play and sucks, we can waive him at that point, and not feel very guilty about it considering he'd have been paid most of his contract already anyways.
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True... but it's extremely unlikely that he'll play years 5 through 7 and even more unlikely that he'll play those years if he sucks.

Like I said, even IF he does play... and he does suck.... $4 mil isn't impossible to deal with.
 
LeafOfFaith said:
Savard should have negative value right now. Not because he's not a good player, because he is. But long and onerous contract.
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He doesn't have negative value, because his contract is nowhere near "onerous". Yes it's long and he is a risky pickup, but the Bruins aren't going to give him away, because they don't have to. As has been mentioned many times, it's a $4M cap hit.
 
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