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I don't know why anybody would be afraid to make changes to a team that was posting such dismal results. We rank at the bottom of a lot of categories, and that's WITH the godlike and indispensable Beauchemin leading in icetime.
 
Volcanologist said:
I don't know why anybody would be afraid to make changes to a team that was posting such dismal results. We rank at the bottom of a lot of categories, and that's WITH the godlike and indispensable Beauchemin leading in icetime.
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Change is good, if it's change for the better, or it's change to address a specific problem that the roster has. But if it's senile Cliff Fletcher-esque change for the sake of change, then no thanks.
 
Again, I don't understand the aversion to Setoguchi on here. He's basically a less-talented version of Kessel, which is pretty talented.
 
JaysCyYoung said:
Again, I don't understand the aversion to Setoguchi on here. He's basically a less-talented version of Kessel, which is pretty talented.
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36 points last year, on pace for 25 so far this year. So, yeah, pretty damn talented, to go along with being yet another marginally talented midget that'd ve vying for ice-time in the Leafs top-6. And for this, we give up a defenseman capable of chewing up 25 minutes a game. And you don't understand the aversion?
 
Well, he was on pace for 42 points last year (23 goals)...and a slow start is just that, a slow start.

He's also still only 23, has a 30 goal season under his belt and has the junior pedigree to suggest the potential to return to his 30 goal level.

For a guy who we probably wouldn't be re signing in 18 months....oh, and 2 million in capspace to help replace him if we need to.
 
LeafGm said:
36 points last year, on pace for 25 so far this year. So, yeah, pretty damn talented, to go along with being yet another marginally talented midget that'd ve vying for ice-time in the Leafs top-6. And for this, we give up a defenseman capable of chewing up 25 minutes a game. And you don't understand the aversion?
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I see a 23 year-old former top eight draft pick with a 31 goal season under his belt who needs the right situation to recapture his former promise. You ALWAYS buy low on players like this when you get the chance. He produced in junior, he was a contributing supporting part in last year's playoffs, and with 18 minutes a game here in Toronto I can see him getting back to a 25-30 goal scorer. It's all about the right situation.
 
Oh I forgot to mention. Burke is after a big piece, primarily Richards and MACARTHUR is wanted on the other end. Along with one of Kadri, Schenn AND Kaberle.

To me, its way too much. But Burke is a huge believer in giving away A LOT to get that top twenty or top ten talent in the league. He believes he can get all the surrounding pieces somehow, some way.
 
teeds said:
Oh I forgot to mention. Burke is after a big piece, primarily Richards and MACARTHUR is wanted on the other end. Along with one of Kadri, Schenn AND Kaberle.

To me, its way too much. But Burke is a huge believer in giving away A LOT to get that top twenty or top ten talent in the league. He believes he can get all the surrounding pieces somehow, some way.
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See I know it's bs, when you include kaberle. Burke won't ask him to leave and kaberle won't ask to be traded.
 
Volcanologist said:
I don't know why anybody would be afraid to make changes to a team that was posting such dismal results. We rank at the bottom of a lot of categories, and that's WITH the godlike and indispensable Beauchemin leading in icetime.
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you don't break the only thing that's not broken when fixing something.
 
the difference between Beauchemin and any dman that would take his place is massive.

massive.

Meanwhile, Setoguchi would just mean Kadri gets sent back to the AHL.
 
We wouldn't miss him at all on the PP, and with Schenn-Phaneuf-Komi-Aulie we wouldn't miss him much on the PK either.

Meanwhile, Setoguchi would just mean Kadri gets sent back to the AHL.
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Well, that would just be stupid.
 
soco22 said:
See I know it's bs, when you include kaberle. Burke won't ask him to leave and kaberle won't ask to be traded.
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Seriously, you have to fawk off here. I am giving you what a guy who sits in the Leaf alumni box gives me. Do you sit there? Do you have friends with these type of people?

I know its upsetting to hear big names being bantered, but its BEING DISCUSSED.

Hockey is a lot different these days, its an agents/gm game.

Did you know that Kaberle and Joe Nieuwendyck are extremely ClOSE FRIENDS?? No you didn't. And they are.

That is what makes something in Dallas very, very doable.

Burke WANTS Richards BAD. Just like he wanted Kessel, OR MORE.

Be prepared and for fawks sake, a lot of this shit never happens for sure. But its nice to hear guys on here say something that is BEYOND what we see and hear OURSELVES.

So if you want a boring board that discusses ONLY what we see on the ice, keep up your derision, rudeness, and name calling.
 
zeke said:
the difference between Beauchemin and any dman that would take his place is massive.

massive.

Meanwhile, Setoguchi would just mean Kadri gets sent back to the AHL.
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No way. He belongs. I mean look at the forward talent on Montreal, Philly etc... How can Burke/Wilson suggest a talent like Kadri play anywhere else but here?

I think Beauchemin is our number four dman. That is important enough I suppose. So you have to evaluate how good this guy is for San Jose.
 
I don't have a problem trading Kaberle and maybe something else for Richards.

But you don't give up Luke Schenns for 30 year old impending UFAs.
 
With B Richards being a UFA -- the Stars don't have much leverage -- and they won't get more than what Kovalchuk or Hossa went for.

If the Leafs offer something like MacArthur + Gunnarsson + Marlies Prospect -- that's a very strong offer. Teams don't overpay for UFA's.
 
zeke said:
the difference between Beauchemin and any dman that would take his place is massive.

massive.

Meanwhile, Setoguchi would just mean Kadri gets sent back to the AHL.
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that's ridiculous.

beauchemin is NOT indispensable. it is very, very, very unlikely that he's still on this team beyond 2011-2012.

dealing beauchemin means that the $4.25mn earner komisarek gets bumped up into the top four. or gunnarsson, should he get back to the level he played at last year.

beauchemin isn't a totally redundant piece, because he's a good and pretty reliable defenseman. but once they acquired phaneuf they really didn't need a guy like beauchemin any more.

phaneuf-kaberle-schenn is a top notch top-3. and komisarek is a pretty good 4th defenseman.

of course, that then opens up a permanent spot for aulie and holzer to fight over, and gets gunnarsson back into the lineup.
 
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