leafman101
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They were top 10 before Phaneuf went out.
2.36 GA/G with Phaneuf in the lineup.
2.36 GA/G with Phaneuf in the lineup.
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leafman101
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But that is the thing. Even with below average goaltending, with Phaneuf in the lineup the Leafs were top 10 in goals against.
That is how good the D is when healthy.
leafman101
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The goaltending hasn't gotten any worse. The D has though.
But thats not the point, the point is that even though GA is greatly effected by goaltending, even without top 10 goaltending, when the Leafs D was healthy they were top 10 in GA. That is how good the D is when healthy.
zeke
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Top-5 in shots against is elite.
Mega
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I think you actually have Shea Weber and his cannon to thank for that.
thehabhater
Some call me Tim
There is nothing elite about this team currently. Not as long as they sit in 26th place. In the end, it's your position in the standings that establishes "elitness".
Spin it any way you want...the Leafs are in 26th place.
zeke
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Just like being in 5th place doesn't mean that every part of your team is elite, being in 26th place doesn't mean that every part of your team is not.
Our defense corps is awesome. It's been significantly hurt by our #1 guy going down to injury, though.
Our offense has stunk so far, and our goaltending has not been very good.
Our defense corps is awesome. It's been significantly hurt by our #1 guy going down to injury, though.
Our offense has stunk so far, and our goaltending has not been very good.
thehabhater
Some call me Tim
Only Luke Schenn has been anything close to "awesome". The rest of the defense has been mediocre or worse. Hense, the 26th place.
Overpaying for mediocrity doesn't make you "awesome".
mbow30
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i get that it's perfectly feasible to address the team's woes up front without dealing beauchemin.. but if you're burke (assuming kaberle is re-upped), are you going to re-sign beauchemin next year to a three or four year deal? with gunnarsson, aulie and holzer all knocking at the door, and blacker, gysbers and mikus all showing some potential i don't think it makes a lot of sense to bring a 32 year old beauchemin back. if you're going to let him walk at the end of the contract then you should trade him. and if you can get a 23 year old with a 30 goal season under his belt for him then i think it's a trade offer you have to listen to.
we can say setoguchi overachieved and then talk about how darn disappointing he has been over the past two seasons. we can credit thornton for his big season in 08-09. but then, we also need to maintain some perspective here: no leafs forward has ever hit or eclipsed the 65 point mark in a season. setoguchi has.
he's a good player. he might have overachieved a bit in that particular season for one reason or another, but given that he has achieved that level of production i think it is certainly within the realm of possibilities that he does it again.. numerous times.. throughout his career.
i can think of a former leafs youngster who underwent a similar trajectory; who entered the league with a bang, fell out of favour with his coach and saw his ice time dwindle. who had a few years during which time he took some steps back.. then got traded, and emerged a bonafide top six forward who should push 60 points this year.
setoguchi is a good hockey player. if the leafs can get him for a guy who is very unlikely, imo, to be brought back beyond next year then they should.
and if none of the youngsters on the blueline step up -- well, then the leafs can just go out and bring in a comparable defender to beauchemin next summer. guys like that are available every year.
we can say setoguchi overachieved and then talk about how darn disappointing he has been over the past two seasons. we can credit thornton for his big season in 08-09. but then, we also need to maintain some perspective here: no leafs forward has ever hit or eclipsed the 65 point mark in a season. setoguchi has.
he's a good player. he might have overachieved a bit in that particular season for one reason or another, but given that he has achieved that level of production i think it is certainly within the realm of possibilities that he does it again.. numerous times.. throughout his career.
i can think of a former leafs youngster who underwent a similar trajectory; who entered the league with a bang, fell out of favour with his coach and saw his ice time dwindle. who had a few years during which time he took some steps back.. then got traded, and emerged a bonafide top six forward who should push 60 points this year.
setoguchi is a good hockey player. if the leafs can get him for a guy who is very unlikely, imo, to be brought back beyond next year then they should.
and if none of the youngsters on the blueline step up -- well, then the leafs can just go out and bring in a comparable defender to beauchemin next summer. guys like that are available every year.
number17
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I don't think Beauchemin is untouchable by any means. Burke knows he needs help up front, and he knows he has to give up 1 of the guys on the blueline for it.
The question I have, is whether Setoguchi is the right guy. He has potentials, but the question is instead of a 'rebound project', should the Leafs bundle Beauchemin with other pieces to acquire someone who's more promising to be a front line player.
The question I have, is whether Setoguchi is the right guy. He has potentials, but the question is instead of a 'rebound project', should the Leafs bundle Beauchemin with other pieces to acquire someone who's more promising to be a front line player.
mbow30
Spudmeister Supreme
komisarek is fine as a #4 defenseman. he's overpaid -- which is going to make him difficult to trade without bringing back another bad salary. which just puts you at square one.
and again, are you going to re-sign beauchemin next year?
they pretty much have to bring kaberle back. do you really want to two guys signed into their late 30s on long-term deals in your top four?
especially with the amount of young talent the leafs have on the back end.
and the fact of the matter is that they can deal beauchemin without suffering a big hit on the blueline. because at the end of the day a top four of phaneuf, kaberle, schenn and komisarek is still a top notch top four.
and again, are you going to re-sign beauchemin next year?
they pretty much have to bring kaberle back. do you really want to two guys signed into their late 30s on long-term deals in your top four?
especially with the amount of young talent the leafs have on the back end.
and the fact of the matter is that they can deal beauchemin without suffering a big hit on the blueline. because at the end of the day a top four of phaneuf, kaberle, schenn and komisarek is still a top notch top four.