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Ryan Malone is an excellent hockey player. Guys I know my trade is bad, but that is horrendous for Tampa Bay.

Komisarek is the worst contract in the league. Perhaps Gomez, Blake and Lecavellier fill out the top four.
 
While we're on the subject though...a list (in no particular order) of some of the worst contracts in the league


Lecavalier - 7.7 until 2020
Gomez - 7.35 until 2014
Kipper - 5.83 until 2014
Drury - 7.05 until 2012
Vanek - 7.14 until 2014
Horcoff - 5.5 until 2015

The Komisarek signing sucked, and has turned out about as bad as even the worst detractor had feared...but it doesn't even belong in the conversation.
 
While we're on the subject though...a list (in no particular order) of some of the worst contracts in the league


Lecavalier - 7.7 until 2020
Gomez - 7.35 until 2014
Kipper - 5.83 until 2014
Drury - 7.05 until 2012
Vanek - 7.14 until 2014
Horcoff - 5.5 until 2015

The Komisarek signing sucked, and has turned out about as bad as even the worst detractor had feared...but it doesn't even belong in the conversation.
 
MindzEye said:
While we're on the subject though...a list (in no particular order) of some of the worst contracts in the league


Lecavalier - 7.7 until 2020
Gomez - 7.35 until 2014
Kipper - 5.83 until 2014
Drury - 7.05 until 2012
Vanek - 7.14 until 2014
Horcoff - 5.5 until 2015

The Komisarek signing sucked, and has turned out about as bad as even the worst detractor had feared...but it doesn't even belong in the conversation.
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If Kipper plays like he did last year that one isn't too too terrible. Big cap hit, and probably paying an elite price tag for less than elite goaltending, but I wouldn't put it as one of the worst in the league. Of course I'm saying this without having looked at the numbers in too much depth. Two years ago I'd agree with you, but Kipper seems to have righted the ship on his career.
 
Volcanologist said:
As for Sturm, I'm sure the Leafs are interested. Too bad there's no chance Chiarelli's going to do anything to worsen the Leaf pick. I would expect the Kings deal to go through at some point.
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Yes me too.

That said, do I think there's ZERO chance he ends up as a Leaf? Never say never. Boston will have to get Sturm off their hands now he's coming off IR, and if LA, for whatever reason, isn't interested in Sturm anymore, then Chia will have to trade Sturm to whoever is willing to take him.

And there are only so many teams that have the cap space, can afford him, and has a need for a 25-30G forward.
 
Adding Sturm would be a no-brainer for the Leafs, except that it would eat up a lot of our available capspace. As # 17 said, Burke can probably only use it to add one guy - do we really want that one guy to be Marco Sturm?

As for Vinny? No thanks. That contract is just way too long, and way too risky.

And yeah, Kiprusoff's contract doesn't deserve to be on that list. The others are way worse. Redden's may be the worst of all, although at least he's no longer a cap hit.
 
There are tons of other bad contracts ... how about DiPietro's?

Or Yashin's, which the Isles are still paying I believe?
 
Of course I'm saying this without having looked at the numbers in too much depth. Two years ago I'd agree with you, but Kipper seems to have righted the ship on his career.
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Might want to take another look at his numbers


And yeah, Kiprusoff's contract doesn't deserve to be on that list.
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Yes, it does.
 
MindzEye said:
Might want to take another look at his numbers




Yes, it does.
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He posted a .920 SV% last year. Pretty close to elite. He's at .908 SV% this year, so it remains to be seen if last season he actually reversed his decline or if it was an aberration.
 
MindzEye said:
Yes, it does.
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Kiprusoff is a solid starting goalie. He's 34 years old, under contract for this year and 3 more at a cap hit of $5.83M. In terms of actual salary, he will make $6M, $5M, $1.5M the next 3 years. When the contract ends, he'll be 37 - not a huge deal for a goalie.

The contract, while perhaps a bit high on the cap hit, really is not that bad.
 
The problem with the kipper contract, aside he deteriorating play is that along with the rest of the shitty flames he has the NMC, and his deal along with J Bow, Reghyr, Sarich etc...just create a mess
 
sir pyscho sexy said:
He posted a .920 SV% last year. Pretty close to elite. He's at .908 SV% this year, so it remains to be seen if last season he actually reversed his decline or if it was an aberration.
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Since Kiprusoff signed the extension in Oct 07, he's done this...

07-08: .906%
08-09: .903%
09-10: .920%
10-11: .908%

at a cap hit of 5.83, no matter the breakdown in money, that's horrible.
 
Ignoring the .933, .923 and .917 he put up the three years before that, if we are now only allowed to evaluate goalies based solely on one statistic. In his career he has shown he can play at an elite level, and last year's .920 showed he still can. Along with his career .921 playoff save %. He's also crazy durable, with 74, 74, 76, 76, and 73 GP the past 5 seasons. Now I'd argue it's ridiculous to overplay him to that extent, but at least you are not paying a guy who is always (or really, at all) hurt.

I am not saying he's a superstud, or that this is a wonderful contract. But the discussion was about the very worst contracts in the NHL, which this one is clearly not.
 
Kipper just isn't good anymore. He used to be worth that deal. But now they are paying a lot of money for a bottom 3rd goaltender and that is pretty bad.

If he repeats last year then its fine, but he's been on the opposite end a lot more the last few years.
 
axlsalinger said:
Ignoring the .933, .923 and .917 he put up the three years before that,
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Well, why would we include stats that are largely irrelevant to his recent play. If he was replicating last year's .920, I wouldn't bother bringing up the two years previous play of .906 & .903, aside from maybe as a cautionary measure.

if we are now only allowed to evaluate goalies based solely on one statistic.
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Well, we evaluate offensive players with the ppg or points statistic. SV% should be viewed largely in the same way. It's by far the more important goaltending statistic.


In his career he has shown he can play at an elite level, and last year's .920 showed he still can.
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And he's also shown that he doesn't always play to that level, this year's .908% is proving that again.

He's also crazy durable, with 74, 74, 76, 76, and 73 GP the past 5 seasons. Now I'd argue it's ridiculous to overplay him to that extent, but at least you are not paying a guy who is always (or really, at all) hurt.
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Which is fair enough..durability is a nice quality, but quality is a better quality.

I am not saying he's a superstud, or that this is a wonderful contract. But the discussion was about the very worst contracts in the NHL, which this one is clearly not.
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Only, it clearly is. He's one of the highest paid goalies in the league when in 3 of the last 4 NHL seasons, he's been one of the worst starters. What he did previous is irrelevant, during the contract he's currently being paid under, he's lived up to his end of the deal once in 4 seasons.

Goalies like Niitty & Biron, who post similar (or better) numbers to what Kipper has put up in 3 of the last 4 years are lucky to make 1.5-2.0 million a year on a 1-2 year deal these days.
 
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