BeLeafer
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Two of these were 55 and 64 point seasons. Then he shot up to 82 points last year ... the year Lupul became his linemate. He's now back to his former level of production in Lupul's absence. Coincidence?
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Two of these were 55 and 64 point seasons. Then he shot up to 82 points last year ... the year Lupul became his linemate. He's now back to his former level of production in Lupul's absence. Coincidence?
BeLeafer
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PK isn't wrong about JVR. He does play pretty soft for a guy that size. And that's the rub ... people expect guys with size and speed like that to make better use of their physical advantage. JVR does this only intermittently. I'm sure this is not unrelated to his dismal 4 assists.
leafman101
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He has done it consistently enough to score at a 45 goal pace. And literally 90% of his goals have been dirty goals from using his size around the net.
Maybe he only has 4 assists because his linemates only have 9 goals combined. How many assists could he have?
A few less posts for Kessel and JVR is likely playing at a 70 point pace.
Maybe he only has 4 assists because his linemates only have 9 goals combined. How many assists could he have?
A few less posts for Kessel and JVR is likely playing at a 70 point pace.
leafman101
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Not sure that is a fair assessment. If Kessel was scoring the same amount of goals he always has (with Lupul or with Crabb) he would be matching what he did last year. He is on pace for 45 assists. Its his goals that are down. But we know Phil Kessel can score goals no matter who he plays with. That is the one thing he has proven.
leafman101
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But of course Kessel also just hasn't had his typical 6 goal in 4 game-esq streak that he always has yet.
PKForce81
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I just ignored his post as he's too much what teeds would call "copy and paste". Yet my post is laughable. I think it was clear in my post i was comparing the two in just one part of the game(board play), not overall talent.
PKForce81
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When you use your size on the boards(to shield the puck and control play) it's different compared to standing in front of the net to deflect pucks and get rebounds(it's mostly just pushing each other)...As for high goals, again, this is mostly due to Kessel's work. Put him with Grabo and see how many he gets.
leafman101
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Well he had 2 goals in 3 games with Grabo before Lupul got hurt.
Metalleaf
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Jesus you sure do think highly of yourself don't you? Any idiot would realize I wasn't comparing JVR to Sundin. But hey I'm just a replicant so who ****ing cares right?
leafman101
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From day one Carlyle challenged JVR to use his size. Its no surprise that the results have followed.
PKForce81
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One point in his last 4 games.
Kessel also has one in last 4.
Interesting isn't it? When Kessel isn't going on that line nobody else is.
As for his size, believe what you want. The less he uses it the more Carlyle will be on him and eventually demote him.
PKForce81
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Metal you did that to me quite a few times this year and i ignored it. I post something and you challenge it with short sentences like "No it's not" and in the case above, my point being laughable..At least explain why that is. How is comparing 2 players with size and the way they play on the boards make my post laughable? I wasn't comparing them in terms of overall talent or anything..Anyways...
Metalleaf
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Not at all because I think JVR uses his size more than Colborne. But you missed my point when I brought up the Sundin thing... I just brought it up because even if JVR isn't overly physical hell still produce. JVRs still a prices IMO
PlayerToBeNamedLater
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Problem with Kessel is that he isn't Crosby or Stamkos and he's subject to poor streaks and offseasons like every other player in the tier directly below Crosby / Stamkos.
PKForce81
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Under Carlyle anything is possible.
PKForce81
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Not sure about young Sundin vs his prime but I always thought Sundin used his frame quite well. Also if you remember Bobby Holik saying how trying to play against Mats was one of the toughest tasks(and Holik was quite in your face type player).
As for JVR still producting without being physical, i agree. He has good wheels, positions himself well around the net and has a nice wrist shot. Playing with pretty good players also helps.
leafman101
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Most of his goals come from using his size. He had one shot from the top of the circle. Then that one power move against Schenn (which was purely based on his size to protect the puck). The other 10 are all from within 10 feet of the net.
Size and soft hands. Those are the two keys to his success this year.
Carlyle getting JVR to use his size effectively is the single biggest reason for the turnaround.
Its pretty hard to knock a guy on pace for a 45 goal season.
Size and soft hands. Those are the two keys to his success this year.
Carlyle getting JVR to use his size effectively is the single biggest reason for the turnaround.
Its pretty hard to knock a guy on pace for a 45 goal season.
MyNameIsJonas
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yet hes found a way
The problem is JVR and Kessel shouldn't be playing together.. they are both soft on the boards.. They struggle heavily defensively and its not like Bozak can hold the fort in his own end. When Kessel is your best back checker shift after shift. He isn't going to be as affective offensively. The top line is a mess and they need to fix it.