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BeLeafer said:
By that logic, you would go out and acquire 8 elite wingers if they were available and then have nothing left for any other roster spots.
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You're allowed to trade players to fill holes...

that's the point, why wait for an elite centre to become available, when an elite winger is the exact type of trade bait you'd want to have to trade for an elite centre.

Add the elite talent, worry about perfecting (shaping) your lineup later. You can always free up cap space to make those type of moves (adding the elite centre by trade) if you're not stuck overpaying 2nd-3rd tier talent.
 
BeLeafer said:
That's the logic you articulated. If you'd like to clarify, by all means ... I was showing the absurdity of that approach.
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We have one elite winger. Our biggest need is an elite center, but there's none available. There is however, another elite winger available.

I'm not seeing the absurdity anywhere.
 
Perry would be a Hossa-esq addition for us. Get one of the very best all around players in the league to be a secondary option to the top young talent.

I don't care where he lines up, that would be an absolutely huge addition.

The Hawks still don't really have a #2 center, and have to force Bolland up the lineup but it works pretty well for them. I guess they could have passed to try and get Joe Thornton though as they already had Kane, Sharp, Versteeg, Byfuglien, Havlat and Ladd.
 
MindzEye said:
I would trade for him as a 'rental', without an extension...pay for the rental price (which is allegedly, roster player + 1st + "good" prospect) and then throw a pile of money at him to keep him. I don't think JVR constitutes a "roster" player. Sounds more like something you would consider Kulemin.

Kulemin + 1st + Percy for "Rental" Perry. Then throw 8.5 x 8 at him....
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Finally, someone making sense. With people throwing around Kessel or JVR as the return for Perry, I thought I'd stumbled onto HFtards.

And BeLeafer, I think we all agree that what this team needs most is a big, tough legit #1 center. But as Anaheim demonstrated perfectly today, teams that have such a player usually do whatever they possibly can to hang onto them. We could wait another ten years and still potentially never even get a sniff at acquiring such a player through trade OR free agency.

So, when elite talent becomes available, I absolutely agree with those that have said you jump at the chance to acquire it and worry how the pieces fit later. If we do end up with an excess of quality wingers, it's not like we won't be able to leverage that to our advantage on the trade market.
 
ANA wouldn't trade him for just Kulemin, a prospect and a pick.

They might as well just keep him and try and win a cup -- then take their chances in the offseason with him. If they were out of it, they might consider something like that, but they'd be silly to end their playoff hopes for a deal involving 2nd/3rd line talents.

If you want him, you're going to have to pay the price to get him. Or hope ANA drops like a stone in the standings before the deadline.
 
I don't think Leafs will make any big moves until next season. They want to see how far they can go with this group. You can expect maybe Liles, Komi and players that aren't getting a chance to play, to be moved. The rest, i think they stay for now.
 
PlayerToBeNamedLater said:
ANA wouldn't trade him for just Kulemin, a prospect and a pick.

They might as well just keep him and try and win a cup -- then take their chances in the offseason with him. If they were out of it, they might consider something like that, but they'd be silly to end their playoff hopes for a deal involving 2nd/3rd line talents.

If you want him, you're going to have to pay the price to get him. Or hope ANA drops like a stone in the standings before the deadline.
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Yeah...I'm not sure a hockey deal is out there for them.
 
hockeylover said:
We have one elite winger. Our biggest need is an elite center, but there's none available. There is however, another elite winger available.

I'm not seeing the absurdity anywhere.
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It's the absurdity of the logic, I'm pointing to. If you pay no mind to position and just collect elite talent without any consideration, which is what you and ME have advocated, it could lead to a completely imbalanced roster in a cap environment. Which is, in fact, how it turns out with adding Perry at 9M to: JVR, Lupul, Kessel and any other longer term commitments/players you'd want to extend (e.g., Frattin).

Then there's the issue of how you build a team. From the wing in? Sam Pollock rolls in his grave. You build the wings around a solid centre complement. If you want to see why, take a gander at how the current roster can't control pucks in the offensive zone.
 
So, your plan is to wait for an elite centre to magically become available. But not to add the type of pieces in the interim that are either 1) good pieces to be able to trade for him, 2) the type of players that he would be intrigued to sign here as an FA to come play with & 3) Would constitute a strong enough core that he could win something with them.


****, I'm shocked that you apprently learned little from watching the Sundin era up close and personal. Even a super hero centre needs the right pieces around him.
 
If your biggest problem in the world is that you have cap issues due to having too much elite wingers & defenders on your team, you don't have any problems worth complaining about. Elite players are pretty easy to trade....
 
In the last 10 years who really has moved via UFA? Kovalchuk? And even then it was a 2 horse race and NJ really threw the bank at him.
 
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