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Leaf Rumours

sir pyscho sexy said:
Our wingers could go from... Lupul-Kessel; JVR-Frattin; Mac-Kuly; Komoravo-goon

to Lupul-Kessel; JVR-Perry; Mac-Frattin; Kuly/Komo-goon.

That would give us three legitimate scoring lines, two of which should be near the top of the league in production regardless of their centre. And, we would have guys like Komarov and/or Kulemin on our fourth line.

I really can't think of many teams in the league that have that quality and depth of wingers. 5-6 of those guys could easily score 20 goals, and Kuly, with his 30 goal season, would likely be on our fourth line. Gotta think that would increase our ability to content. Can't see how it wouldn't really.

We're not weak on the wing, but this addition gives us two elite wingers. That means that the other team's top d-men can only key in on one of Kessel/Perry... that opens up a lot of ice for the other one playing against 2nd unit d-men.
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Right now, wingers is a strong point for the team: Kessel, Lupul, JVR, MacArthur, Frattin, Komarov, Kulemin in that order. Put Perry into that mix and remove Kulemin and it's clearly an upgrade at that position.

The question is how big of an impact this makes and, in a cap world, the extent to which it may restrict you moving forward. Just between Kessel, Lupul and JVR, we have $15M locked up for next season (and Kessel will get a raise the following season). That's 23% of the cap on those three wingers. Throw Perry into the mix and that jumps to $24M and 37% on your cap on just your top line wingers.

I don't have time to finish this .... I'll return to it later, but we'll also probably have $10M locked up next year for the top two centres (Kadri and Grabovski). That's more than half of your cap on your top two lines and you still need an upgrade at centre.
 
With the exception of Grabo all of those guys are easily tradeable, which is the only concern with locking into players. That you will be stuck. You aren't stuck with Kessel, Lupul, kadri, JVR, and Perry.

And I'd much rather spend the majority of the cap on the top half of the lineup than the bottom half. That is ideal IMO.
 
BeLeafer said:
Where did I say I'd pass on Perry?
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Right now, wingers is a strong point for the team: Kessel, Lupul, JVR, MacArthur, Frattin, Komarov, Kulemin in that order. Put Perry into that mix and remove Kulemin and it's clearly an upgrade at that position.

The question is how big of an impact this makes and, in a cap world, the extent to which it may restrict you moving forward. Just between Kessel, Lupul and JVR, we have $15M locked up for next season (and Kessel will get a raise the following season). That's 23% of the cap on those three wingers. Throw Perry into the mix and that jumps to $24M and 37% on your cap on just your top line wingers.
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It sure sounds like you're making an argument against getting him here.
 
BeLeafer said:
Except that's not the top half of the lineup ... it's just the top half of the forward lines.
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Doesn't matter. Add the top 3 defense and goalie in too. That is where teams SHOULD spend their resources.

Thats not a negative to me. That is how the Leafs spend their cap dollars in an ideal world. The best part is there would be only one arguably bad contract in the bunch (Grabo).
 
This is all very Canadian, of course. I'll buy the house with the hyperinflated price and figure out how to pay for the $500K mortgage later.
 
leafman101 said:
The argument is silly. The Toronto Maple Leafs do not have too many elite anything. Center, winger, D, goalie...yes please to all.
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If that was for my point, i never said that anyways(we could use another elite talent though). It was a general statement started by someone else saying that it's ok to get as many elite wingers are possible. Just stating facts that it's a dream world and no GM does things this way. Besides the Cap issues(which Beleafer just explained above) these are hockey players you're trading not hockey cards(how unpro would be to deal Perry 6 months after getting him just because elite centre became available?). Another issue is that any GM who can get away with doing more with less(paying guys less money and still getting into playoffs and finishing strong) will take that route...so this whole, let's add more elite talent becomes even more of a fantasy. Then you see teams around the league with more elite talent then us(San Jose, Detroit and so on) and still not winning it...It makes no sense because it doesn't guarantee anything.
 
PKForce81 said:
If that was for my point, i never said that anyways(we could use another elite talent though). It was a general statement started by someone else saying that it's ok to get as many elite wingers are possible. Just stating facts that it's a dream world and no GM does things this way. Besides the Cap issues(which Beleafer just explained above) these are hockey players you're trading not hockey cards(how unpro would be to deal Perry 6 months after getting him just because elite centre became available?). Another issue is that any GM who can get away with doing more with less(paying guys less money and still getting into playoffs and finishing strong) will take that route...so this whole, let's add more elite talent becomes even more of a fantasy. Then you see teams around the league with more elite talent then us(San Jose, Detroit and so on) and still not winning it...It makes no sense because it doesn't guarantee anything.
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Once again:

Me: I think it'd be foolish to not go after an elite winger because there's no elite center yet. Elite talent whenever possible IMO.

I'm on a Leafs Rumour board. I'm talking about the Leafs. We have one elite talent. I want another one. Why am I getting so much resistance here?
 
CAPGEEK.COM USER GENERATED ROSTER
My Custom Lineup
FORWARDS
Joffrey Lupul ($5.250m) / Nazem Kadri ($5.000m) / Phil Kessel ($5.400m)
James Van Riemsdyk ($4.250m) / Mikhail Grabovski ($5.500m) / Corey Perry ($9.000m)
Nikolai Kulemin ($2.800m) / Jay McClement ($1.500m) / Matt Frattin ($0.925m)
Leo Komarov ($1.500m) / Joe Colborne ($0.827m) / Colton Orr ($0.600m)
Frazer McLaren ($0.696m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Jake Gardiner ($1.117m) / Dion Phaneuf ($6.500m)
Morgan Rielly ($1.775m)/ Mike Kostka ($1.500m)
Mark Fraser ($0.660m) / Cody Franson ($3.500m)
Korbinian Holzer ($0.800m)

GOALTENDERS
James Reimer ($1.800m)
Ben Scrivens ($0.600m)
OTHER
Buyout: Darcy Tucker ($1.000m)
Buyout: Colby Armstrong ($1.000m)
Buyout: John-Michael Liles ($0.000m)
Buyout: Mike Komisarek ($0.000m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000;
CAP PAYROLL: $64,849,292;
BONUSES: $1,150,000
CAP SPACE (21-man roster): $600,708
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There is flat out no cap issues with signing Perry. Its not something the team cannot afford.

And most importantly, we are talking about a guy who would be our best player. That is not what you sacrafice to make the cap work. Not in a sane world at least.
 
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Perry's pretty elite. He's a guy I'd overpay for.

And it gives us a better chance of eventually getting a centre because since these top centres are never available as free agents, with perry in the fold suddenly Kessel, Lupul and JVR become much more tradeable when a centre becomes available in trade.
 
leafman101 said:
There is flat out no cap issues with signing Perry. Its not something the team cannot afford.

And most importantly, we are talking about a guy who would be our best player. That is not what you sacrafice to make the cap work. Not in a sane world at least.
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Your problem with that lineup is not next year, but the year after. Kessel will be up to 8-9M, and Reimer will want a solid raise, assuming they both keep putting up solid numbers this year and next. Phaneuf is also UFA, and who knows what deal he'll want.

Of course, you can always worry about that after next year. The cap will probably be back to 70M that year too. It'd be tight to add Perry, and you'll need to do some creative accounting to fit people in after next year (or lose some talent), but it definitely still makes sense to do for next year.
 
UWHabs said:
Your problem with that lineup is not next year, but the year after. Kessel will be up to 8-9M, and Reimer will want a solid raise, assuming they both keep putting up solid numbers this year and next. Phaneuf is also UFA, and who knows what deal he'll want.

Of course, you can always worry about that after next year. The cap will probably be back to 70M that year too. It'd be tight to add Perry, and you'll need to do some creative accounting to fit people in after next year (or lose some talent), but it definitely still makes sense to do for next year.
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It just will possibly force you to make some tough decisions but for Perry it's probably completely worth it.
 
UWHabs said:
Your problem with that lineup is not next year, but the year after. Kessel will be up to 8-9M, and Reimer will want a solid raise, assuming they both keep putting up solid numbers this year and next. Phaneuf is also UFA, and who knows what deal he'll want.

Of course, you can always worry about that after next year. The cap will probably be back to 70M that year too. It'd be tight to add Perry, and you'll need to do some creative accounting to fit people in after next year (or lose some talent), but it definitely still makes sense to do for next year.
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Yeah, the cap is going back up. Next year is the biggest concern not after that. I read an article that based on the escalators in the new CBA the cap could be $90 million by the end of it.

And of course an issues with the cap are the fault of the Grabo deal not Perry.
 
leafman101 said:
Corey Perry is exactly what EVERY team wants, just he plays wing instead of center. He is a big, physical, nasty player that plays a strong two way game and can be your best offensive player.

Saying no to a player like that if you have the opportunity to get him is just dumb. I don't care how many wingers you have. None of them are Corey Perry.
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FYP
 
Any team with cap room is going to offer him max years and max dollars....Perry just gets his choice where that is.

I suspect in Detroit.
 
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