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Never seen a bunch of supposed "stat guys" put so much faith in a 17-game sample size compiled by a player distracted by a very ill baby before. Interesting.
 
Even if you completely ignore the stats this year, 5.8 million for a 36 year old third goalie makes little sense. If his deal was expiring sure, but not signed through next year and not offering him an extension.
 
You guys have a fundamental lack of understanding of just how bad an .868sv%, even over an 18gm sample size.
 
Shifty team imploding around a player, with a baby born premature and in an incubator. I think I'll ignore all that, and career numbers, and focus entirely on a 17-game sample size.

#frankensteinmoneyball
 
Amnestying Grabo this summer would be very short sighted. The cap is low and there is no one worth blowing a huge chunk of change on...why not give him another year / shop him to fill another hole? You're better off shifting your cap room to the summer of 2014 when you need to re-sign Kessel and the cap is likely higher. Extend Kadri, Kuly, and resign Franson and Gunnar. Fill out the rest of the lineup with Marlies and vets and save the money for 2014.
 
zeke said:
You guys have a fundamental lack of understanding of just how bad an .868sv%, even over an 18gm sample size.
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I just looked up one goalie to see if I could find something similar. Between December 2000 and January 2001, over 19 games, Ed Belfour did just that.

Fundamental lack of understanding is all in your court.
 
axlsalinger said:
Shifty team imploding around a player, with a baby born premature and in an incubator. I think I'll ignore all that, and career numbers, and focus entirely on a 17-game sample size.

#frankensteinmoneyball
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Can you put aside the numbers enough to give him an extension though given how solid our goaltending's been this year? Do you think that would've been a good idea?
 
Career .912 - not even mediocre

Seasons of significantly above average goaltending - 4 of 12 years in his career
Seasons of significantly below average goaltending - 5 of 12 years in his career
Seasons of average goaltending - 3 of 12 years in his career

Seasons of getting past the first round of playoffs - once


Kipper's current save percentage would be the worst by a Leaf goalie since Don Edwards in 1985 - and in 1985 the vezina was won with an .887sv%.

Kipper's current save percentage is worse than Cujo put up in his embarassing last stint in Toronto over 21gms.


Much more than his current 18gm sample size - but his current 18gm sample size is bad enough to make this idea unthinkable anyways. His .868sv% is actually worse and scarier than if Iginla had gone on an 18gm pointless streak. It's that bad.

And blaming his team is dumb.

His team was actually decent this year - winning at a .500 clip (7-7-2) with AHL calibre goalies McDonald, Irving, taylor in net posting a combined .896sv%.

The Flames only sucked balls with Kipper in net, going 6-10-2 because he wasn't even remotely close to as good as the AHL calibre goalies.

And he has one of the most expensive goalie contracts in all of hockey, signed through next season too.


Meanwhile, for the first time in near a decade, the Leafs have some of the best goaltending in hockey this year, and most definitely have the most cost efficient goaltending in hockey this year. Two young goalies who have been very good in every year of their career at every level, meaning that this year's play is no surprise.


Blind spot.
 
hockeylover said:
Can you put aside the numbers enough to give him an extension though given how solid our goaltending's been this year? Do you think that would've been a good idea?
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....I don't think anyone here argued they were in favor of giving him an extension, or even taking his entire cap hit next year.
 
I love how people keep pointing out Kipper's current SV%. This guy had .921 in 70 just last season but it's this year that he all of a sudden became a really bad goalie. Give your head a shake please. The main thing that's going on here is that we have people on here who have very likely never said words such as "i was wrong" or "i could be wrong" in their life. No other way you can explain this stupidity really.
 
BeLeafer said:
I just looked up one goalie to see if I could find something similar. Between December 2000 and January 2001, over 19 games, Ed Belfour did just that.

Fundamental lack of understanding is all in your court.
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yep, Eddy had a bad middle two months surrounded by a stellar first two months and a stellar last to months. If you want to use arbitrary end points to make your case, that's fine, but at no point in his career did Eddie ever sport an .868sv%.
 
hockeylover said:
Yeah, you keep saying this but BL keeps defending offering the extension.
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Did he?.....I missed that.


I only saw him quote my post in which I said..

virtually everyone agreed it would be silly to (a) acquire him to be the #1, and (b) take on his full salary/extend him, if he was the #2.
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...and he responded with "exactly".
 
zeke said:
yep, Eddy had a bad middle two months surrounded by a stellar first two months and a stellar last to months. If you want to use arbitrary end points to make your case, that's fine, but at no point in his career did Eddie ever sport an .868sv%.
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Always moving the goalposts, eh. You were wrong.
 
zeke said:
sure, I'm the one moving the goalposts.

Is there even one stat that makes getting Kipper a good idea?
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.921 career playoff performance.

.921 over 70 games just last season.

Those are irrelevant though in the face of an 18 game sample.
 
BeLeafer said:
.921 career playoff performance.

.921 over 70 games just last season.

Those are irrelevant though in the face of an 18 game sample.
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.886sv% last playoffs he was in, and that was 5 years ago.

.897sv% last 2 playoffs, and those were 5 and 6 years ago.

Once made it past the first round.

Career .912sv%. This year .868sv%. Last 2yrs .911. Last 3yrs .909sv%.

every single stat screams bad goalie.

and the guy is retiring this year, because he knows he's toast.
 
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