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LeafGm said:
Further to this point, if Bernier is immensely unhappy being Jonathan Quick's backup in LA, why would he be okay with being brought in as a backup/insurance policy for James Reimer?
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Because, when Quick is at his best, he leaves about 15 games a year for his backup. Reimer has still never played more than 40 in a season. At absolute worst (for Bernier) he gets 30-35 games a year in Toronto, with the possibility of outplaying and winning the job from someone who isn't a recent Vezina, Conn Smythe, & Stanley Cup winner.
 
MindzEye said:
The one knock left on Reimer is durability. Bernier would be Reimer injury insurance imo, and someone who could legitimately push him for starts.
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I don't disagree, but I would look for a cheap UFA as a upgrade on Scrivens that gets shutout of a starting gig.

Emery or Nabokov.
 
LeafGm said:
Further to this point, if Bernier is immensely unhappy being Jonathan Quick's backup in LA, why would he be okay with being brought in as a backup/insurance policy for James Reimer?
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....probably because Reimer has never started over 40 games, let alone the 70-ish Quick has shown capable of, and because Reimer didn't just sign a 10 year contract worth $58 million, virtually guaranteeing he's their starter for the foreseeable future.

The opportunity here for Bernier to steal the job and become a #1, is day and night when compared to any chance he may hope to have in LA.
 
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Montana said:
....probably because Reimer has never started over 40 games, let alone the 70-ish Bernier has shown capable of, and because Reimer didn't just sign a 10 year contract worth $58 million, virtually guaranteeing he's their starter for the foreseeable future.

The opportunity here for Bernier to steal the job and become a #1, is day and night when compared to any chance he may hope to have in LA.
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I assume you mean Quick.
 
I know I'm far from the biggest Scrivens backer around here...but dude put up a .915 last season. There's absolutely zero point in jettisoning him to replace him with some older, more expensive and maybe not as good. Replacing him with Bernier (younger and potentially/probably better) is one thing, but with a 'meh' veteran. No, thanks.
 
I'll certainly concede the point that there's a drastically better opportunity for Bernier to grab the starter's job in Toronto than there is for him in LA. Both because of the difference between Quick and Reimer, and because our management clearly has zero faith in James Reimer's ability to be a starting goalie in the NHL.
 
MindzEye said:
I know I'm far from the biggest Scrivens backer around here...but dude put up a .915 last season. There's absolutely zero point in jettisoning him to replace him with some older, more expensive and maybe not as good. Replacing him with Bernier (younger and potentially/probably better) is one thing, but with a 'meh' veteran. No, thanks.
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Yeah, there's really zero need to replace Scrivens......but if you're Nonnis and you and your scouts strongly believe in Bernier's potential upside and ability to reach it, then it's a worthwhile avenue to explore.
 
LeafGm said:
and because our management clearly has zero faith in James Reimer's ability to be a starting goalie in the NHL.
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I don't think they believe that at all, let alone it being "clear" that they believe such a thing.



I'd say they probably just view Reimer + Bernier as a combo with a higher likelyhood of producing a longterm solution in goal, than simply Reimer alone, or Reimer/Scrivens.
 
MyNameIsJonas said:
Emery was banana's this year..
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and is 30 with a bad hip, and has been average or better twice in his NHL career. Congrats on getting a nice performance out of him, but when his last 3 NHL performances of more than 10 games were all in the .890-.900 range, I'll pass with a smile.

But you guys think Scrivens is better than he is....a passable at best backup goalie.....not a 1B in any way
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Except in SV%.....
 
LeafGm said:
I'll certainly concede the point that there's a drastically better opportunity for Bernier to grab the starter's job in Toronto than there is for him in LA. Both because of the difference between Quick and Reimer, and because our management clearly has zero faith in James Reimer's ability to be a starting goalie in the NHL.
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yep. I'd be pretty pissed if I were Reimer if this went down, especially after Nonis said the only type of goalie they'd want to bring in would be an older #2 or 3 to mentor Reimer.

clearly there's been some directive from the top since then.
 
Can't help but wonder how many obvious truths that we were witness to (e.g., Reimer's abilities) have been lost on management purely because we couldn't hold that lead in the final minute.
 
hockeylover said:
Sigh. Not that you're advocating it, just saying you think it's what we'll happen... but this shit doesn't make any sense to me. But whatever.
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Bringing in Bernier goes against the veteran presence idea they were pushing at the deadline.

I think if Bernier is brought on board they still find a veteran to support him and move Reimer. Just my guy feeling
 
If they trade for Bernier it's not because they're looking for a new backup.

They already have Scrivens who can do an adequate job of that, and Bernier wants to start which is why he's being moved in the first place.

It's not because Bernier is a grizzled vet who can be there to mentor and support Reimer as he develops, either.

So why would they trade for him?

The only logical answer is that they're not happy with their current starter as the guy going forward and are bringing in another candidate for the job.
 
Nonis has said they aren't looking for anything in particular other than getting better at any position if given the opportunity.

If they make a move for Bernier, obviously they like him a lot and think it makes them better. Its an opportunity. it doesn't mean that they aren't happy with Reimer or Scrivens, or that they would automatically move Reimer, or that they would still need a vet.

It would just meant that they had an opportunity to acquire what they feel is one of the best young goalies in the game and took it. Nothing more.
 
leafman101 said:
Nonis has said they aren't looking for anything in particular other than getting better at any position if given the opportunity.

If they make a move for Bernier, obviously they like him a lot and think it makes them better. Its an opportunity. it doesn't mean that they aren't happy with Reimer or Scrivens, or that they would automatically move Reimer, or that they would still need a vet.

It would just meant that they had an opportunity to acquire what they feel is one of the best young goalies in the game and took it. Nothing more.
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#occamsrazor
 
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