Leafs' Prospect/Marlies Discussion Thread!

[MindzEye]

their age 21 numbers beg to differ

Eh, not really.

Willy: 2.38 P/60 on 10.9% shooting, 11.7% oiSH%, in a league that averaged 5.86gpg
Slaf: 2.06 P/60 on 16.5% shooting, 15 point motherfucking 1% oiSH% in a league that averaged 6.16gpg

It's already not that close before normalizing the shooting/on ice shooting luck difference or the era adjustment.

 

[BG]

Tiers are dumb.

 

[LeafOfFaith]

bad news...Pronman has McKenna in Tier 4. Demigod is in Tier 3.

CHronman.

 

[Preston]

15.1 is loco. Too bad that wasn't a contract year for him, he could have cashed in after those counting stats last year

 

[LeafOfFaith]

Comparing Slaf to Willy deserves a temporary ban to cool off and collect yourself. You’re out of control, CH.

 

[CH1]

15.1 is loco. Too bad that wasn't a contract year for him, he could have cashed in after those counting stats last year

it's not that crazy...it was 13.3 the year before

 

[MindzEye]

it's not that crazy...it was 13.3 the year before

13.3 is already high. Not obscenely, but high.

Auston historically sits in the 13's.

Even regressing from 15 to 13 is a big hit though.

 

[CH1]

Eh, not really.

Willy: 2.38 P/60 on 10.9% shooting, 11.7% oiSH%, in a league that averaged 5.86gpg
Slaf: 2.06 P/60 on 16.5% shooting, 15 point motherfucking 1% oiSH% in a league that averaged 6.16gpg

It's already not that close before normalizing the shooting/on ice shooting luck difference or the era adjustment.

meh...it's closer than you think

 

[CH1]

13.3 is already high. Not obscenely, but high.

Auston historically sits in the 13's.

exactly

 

[MindzEye]

exactly

Auston is one of the greatest 5v5 goal scorers in NHL history. Until recently, arguably the best.

 

[MindzEye]

meh...it's closer than you think

It's not.

To put it another way, as a 21 yr old Willy was tied for 27th in the NHL in P/60 right behind Malkin and Ovechkin. As a 21 yr old Slaf was 77th in P/60, right behind Jack Quinn.

 

[CH1]

Caufield aside, Habs are a low volume shot team. HabFan spends half the game yelling at the tv for guys like Slaf and Demidov to shoot more.

 

[LeafOfFaith]

If Slaf didn't play with all your best players all the time, he'd never produce squat. Total pretender.

 

[Preston]

Feels a bit aggressive to continue to expect 13+% moving forward, but I do like the player. And hey, even if he's a 65-75 point guy in his prime, that's a lovely national hockey league player.

 

[CH1]

If Slaf didn't play with all your best players all the time, he'd never produce squat. Total pretender.

you're right, they should play him on the 4th line to figure out if he's any good

 

[MindzEye]

Habs are a low volume shot team.

This is not good though, and is part of the core reason that I've suggested pumping the brakes on expectations for this group until they rectify that. Because it's not just an issue of them not shooting. It's an issue of them not having the puck enough.

 

[CH1]

sure, but I am bullish they will improve given the age of their most talented players, their cap situation, and their accumulated potential trade assets…. They’re frankly ahead of schedule so even a sideways or step back will not change my outlook

 

[MindzEye]

you're right, they should play him on the 4th line to figure out if he's any good

Of course not, but there is a difference between a guy who can carry his own top line and a guy who makes a living with 2 more productive players than he is.

 

[LeafOfFaith]

you're right, they should play him on the 4th line to figure out if he's any good

Put him on the first line of a team like Columbus and see how he does.