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Leafs' Prospect/Marlies Discussion Thread!

Hate the eye testy youtube scouting....but those first and second half splits are interesting and improvement from there could change my mind
 
Only Americans who looked engaged were Cooley and L.Hughes. Everyone else was off...our boy included. I'd chalk this experience up to the coach not properly preparing the team.
 
MindzEye said:
Fwiw, I give zero fucks about how he played at the tournament. Useless evaluation tools.
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yeah I was low on Knies pre-WJC. I remain low on Knies post-WJC.

and by 'low', I just mean relative to the hype. He's a fine prospect. But I think the shine currently exceeds the substance.
 
I'm not going to buy one tournament as the be all end all predictor, but why would you say actual games against top competition in his age range is a useless evaluation tool? It's a small sample and that's its top flaw, but I'd say it's the best evaluation tool.
 
LeafOfFaith said:
I'm not going to buy one tournament as the be all end all predictor, but why would you say actual games against top competition in his age range is a useless evaluation tool? It's a small sample and that's its top flaw, but I'd say it's the best evaluation tool.
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why would you prefer WJC results over their in-season results as an evaluation tool?

one is a gimmicky one off tournament with a small sample and the other can be much more reliably extrapolated
 
Because I think the NCAA is the biggest bullshit league out there playing mostly shitty busts and never will be's with a few real prospects sprinkled in. I'm much more interested in what a tournie against actual competition yields.
 
Well every team mows through those guys, and then you see best on best. It’s not nothing, even if just a few games. It was in the WJC that I saw what an unbelievable beast Matty was, and made several other judgments both writing off guys or seeing something special. I haven’t gotten to see any of these WJC games yet. Would’ve liked to see our top 3 guys in action.
 
LeafOfFaith said:
I'm not going to buy one tournament as the be all end all predictor, but why would you say actual games against top competition in his age range is a useless evaluation tool? It's a small sample and that's its top flaw, but I'd say it's the best evaluation tool.
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Because more games > Less games.

100's of NHL'ers have gone through the NCAA, it gives us an excellent baseline to judge a prospects performance against. It's not about which level of competition is higher, it's about which data set is closer to being representative of a players ability. 7 games isn't enough to judge a player by, and NHL scouts/front offices have proven this over and over. ~35 games is pretty fucking close to being representative.

It's why lining up prospects by league adjusted PPG has out drafted NHL front offices for decades. Eye testers get a hard on watching some 6'3 Finnish winger pump the Slovaks and ignore his pedestrian pre draft scoring in Liiga.
 
"100's of NHL'ers have gone through the NCAA"?
7 games are the standard by which all playoffs are determined so it is a good indicator.
Anyway, why does a player who was taken after the 3rd round have so much success, yet those who were taken previously, do not amount to a hill of beans ... I think it has a lot to do with the intangibles that can't be measured. Sorry Zeke, but how do you measure that player is willing to commit to stopping a shot from getting through, while another player does the one-eyed doodle walk trying not to be hit by the puck?
College hockey has its Latvian and Swiss teams within their leagues. Even the OHL has its issues with bad teams, I would have expected a better showing from a top-flight prospect trying to make his way pro. It seems this is the way of leaf supporters now .... dream of the possibilities not on the results.
This was a bad result for him. He will hopefully say the same thing. If he doesn't, I would be concerned.
 
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