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Leafs sign Mike Santorelli to a 1 year, 1.5 million contract

If I'm trading Kane, I'm looking for a full-on hockey deal, one-for-one NHL-ready young asset in return. Tampa? Columbus? Colorado?
 
leafman101 said:
No. Do you?

Lupul is 31, always hurt and if they are trading Kane because of his behaviour off the ice why the hell would they want Lupul?
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I wouldn't jumpn to that conclusion. First of all I said a package around Lupul, I didn't mean Lupul straight up.

Word is Kane has had run-in's with the coach and it's becoming a distraction in the dressing room. Lupul was a PPG forward just 2 seasons ago (in fact, you can argue even last season), which is a lot more than Kane has yet to achieve. You may question Lupul's character but not that long ago people were suggesting Lupul should be this team's captain.

Point is, Lupul has pretty decent trade value in the market, and a package around Lupul, plus possibly franson and one of our prospect should get us a good return. Kane, OTOH, isn't exactly coming off as an emerging star.
 
MyNameIsJonas said:
No.
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Yes.

Lupul= Perennial 25-30g/60-65pt gu when healthy
Riemer= Decent backup who can fill in for Pavelic when he gets injured
Franson= Gives them a big bodied top 4D with a heavy shot and can chip in on the powerplay

I'll use the Seguin trade as a precedent setter:

Dallas gave up Eriksson (a perennial 30g winger), and 3 prospects (Rielly Smith, Joe Morrow, Matt Fraser) in return for Seguin and Peverly. At this point its safe to say Seguin has a higher ceiling level then Kane does and that was the return he got, while Kane is worth value it's not at the same level Seguin is. Lupul, Reimer and Frason for Kane is a very fair market value deal for a 22 year old winger who has while has scored 30 goals in the past, also has regressed a bit and has off ice behavioural problems that are impacting his on ice play.
 
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Yeah, that package is not good enough. They'll want a first rounder, good prospect and decent young-ish player that can help now. Kane will get the type of package Sens' and Canucks fans thought they'd get for their centres.
 
Pronger84 said:
Yes.

Lupul= Perennial 25-30g/60-65pt gu when healthy
Riemer= Decent backup who can fill in for Pavelic when he gets injured
Franson= Gives them a big bodied top 4D with a heavy shot and can chip in on the powerplay
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31 year old injury prone forward
number 5 D on their team
backup goalie

NOPE
 
JackBurton said:
Yeah, that package is not good enough. They'll want a first rounder, good prospect and decent young-ish player that can help now. Kane will get the type of package Sens' and Canucks fans thought they'd get for their centres.
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at the bare minimum a huge goaltending upgrade, where they lack big time.
 
I think Kane is being overrated here just a tiny bit...

He's coming off a 40 point season, he's been a healthy scratch for games because he's been a problem child, he has a $5.25M cap hit for the next 4 years. In his best season he had 57 points... It's not like we're talking about Phil Kessel or Tyler seguin here.
 
He is a 22 year old 4th overall pick from a couple of years ago that has played at a 25+ goal pace for 3 years in a row.

No one is trading him for a package centered around a 31 year old version of the same player that didn't pan out.

The only guy being overrated here is Lupul. Its amazing how everyone can think this team is so bad, while thinking all the players are so good and valuable at the same time.
 
Seriously guys, would you trade Kadri for Lupul, Franson and Reimer? There is no way. People didn't even want to move Kadri for Kesler or Spezza.

And Kadri isn't as valuable as Kane.
 
Kadri for Kane is the start of a deal that they might consider. If you want to deal Lupul, it would be Lupul-Gardiner which they would consider.
 
MyNameIsJonas said:
He's not wrong

I would need Kadri or Gardiner as the centerpiece in any Kane deal

Not a collection of garbage surrounding a 31 year old Lupul.
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I just thought it was funny how he was like "Winnipeg will consider THIS and THIS" with such certainty.

Not "might consider", or "this makes sense", or "If I'm Winnipeg...".
 
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