New Canadian Politics Thread

[UWHabs]

Reporting the words that came out of my mouth = dishonest reporting

It truly is incredible that 40% of the US electorate would follow this twat off of a cliff and believe every lie he tells them as the plummeted to their deaths.

Objective reality will only suffer subjective reality for so long, the question is when, and how severe the reframing is.

I mean, it is a little dishonest to take something "off the record" and report on it (if it was Bloomberg that leaked it to the Star).

But at the same time, it's basically the same thing as saying, "No offense, but you're a complete *******."

 

[MindzEye]

I mean, it is a little dishonest to take something "off the record" and report on it (if it was Bloomberg that leaked it to the Star).

In fairness, there are certain people who simply shouldn't expect to be able to talk to reporters "off of the record". POTUS is one of those people. Want to have something said to reporters off the record? Use an underling that provides a layer of deniability. Especially a POTUS who seems so hell bent on making policy by himself, everything you say and do is news and your firehose of bullshit maintains that reality, **** off and live with the results of that approach like the rest of us are forced to.

 

[leafman101]

What kind of idiot makes reporters his enemy and then tells them stuff "off the record".

"Off the record" isn't a legal principle. Its reporters respecting their sources.

 

[UWHabs]

No deal today. Canada back to the table on Wednesday. Now to wait and see what the US does today.

*us serves notice of new trade deal, listing Canada as a "if they agree" clause. From what I read before they have a month to bring the actual deal forward so it's not like the deadline today was a real deadline

 

[MindzEye]

It's Nanos, but it's notable:

https://www.nationalnewswatch.com/2...vatives-32-ndp-16-green-7-nanos/#.W48eDLhG36q

Ballot – The latest Nanos federal ballot tracking has the Liberals at 39.9 per cent support, followed by the Conservatives at 32.4 per cent, the NDP at 15.8 percent, the BQ at 3.4 per cent and the Greens at 6.7 per cent.

Accessible Voters – Asked whether they would consider voting for each of the federal parties, 51.9 per cent of Canadians say they would consider voting Liberal while 46.4 per cent would consider voting Conservative. More than one in three (35.7%) would consider voting NDP while 22.7 per cent and 27.0 per cent of Canadians would consider voting for the BQ and Green parties respectively.

Preferred Prime Minister – Nanos tracking has Trudeau as the preferred choice as PM at 42.2 per cent of Canadians followed by Scheer (24.3%), Singh (6.8%) and May (6.4%). Nineteen per cent of Canadians were unsure whom they preferred.

Qualities of a Good Political Leader – More than half of Canadians (58.3%) believe Trudeau has the qualities of a good political leader while 40.9 per cent believe Scheer has the qualities of a good political leader. Three in ten (30.8%) say Jagmeet Singh has the qualities of a good political leader, while 32.9 per cent believe the same about May. One in six (17.3%) said interim Bloc Quebecois leader Mario Beaulieu has the qualities of a good political leader (QC only).

 

[LeafGm]

One bit of good news for Trudeau is that Singh has had a pretty lackluster first year as NDP leader.

I'll be surprised if they retain even half of their Quebec MP's. And I don't really know where else they'll make that up.

 

[MindzEye]

Yeah, I don't see a whole lot of vote splitting on the left in the next federal election. I also don't think we'll see a whole lot of extra support poor towards Scheer. He's about as inspiring a party leader as what the Liberals were firing out there against Harper over the years.

 

[Altair]

Wild card is bernier

 

[MindzEye]

Wild card is bernier

As likely to pull support away from the Conservatives as he will from anyone else.

 

[Altair]

As likely to pull support away from the Conservatives as he will from anyone else.

Bernier is a equal opportunity hitter, he will attract the libertarian vote from all parties, plus the anti immigrant vote.

But the better he does, the better trudeau will do.

Trudeau might be looking better right now, but that's because he's literally not doing anything. Once he is in ottawa again, he's going to start gaffing again, unless he pulls off a final year of his term for the ages.

 

[MindzEye]

Bernier is a equal opportunity hitter, he will attract the libertarian vote from all parties, plus the anti immigrant vote.

But the better he does, the better trudeau will do.

Trudeau might be looking better right now, but that's because he's literally not doing anything. Once he is in ottawa again, he's going to start gaffing again, unless he pulls off a final year of his term for the ages.

If you had told me 18 months ago that Trudeau was going to be riding around 40% before ganja legalization, I would have called you a die hard Liberal voter.

Trump is about to have his balls cut off (the Republicans could challenge and end his unilateral trade nonsense in about 15 minutes if they wanted to) in November, and Trudeau is going to come out looking like he was out there riding for Canada while various Conservatives wanted us to bend over for daddy Trump. Throw relatively successful legalization of ganj into the mix and he's going to ride to a second majority.

There's a reason Trump was trying to beat the clock with this Mexico deal. It's almost obstructionist and impeachment season son, get a good seat for the show. That's a solid 50% of Trudeau's current headaches sorted.

 

[UWHabs]

And Singh has just been brutal. NDP is bankrupt too, so it's gonna be very tough for them to gain any ground.

Fighting with Trump only helps JT, and if he can actually extract a good enough deal, that would be double credit. Scheer isn't going to be able to effectively fight him, since the libs will be able to counter and imply that they would simply cowtail to the US. Having JT positioned as the strong leader who will stand up the bully down south is huge.

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[CH1]

Two things can beat Justin....

1) Justin. He's got to stop being such a virtue signalling whore, always flashing a smile. He's got to show a few hard fought victories. Weed is last year's win.

2) the economy. I think the price of oil is heading south as China slows down. Real estate may get bumpy.

 

[Altair]

Two things can beat Justin....

1) Justin. He's got to stop being such a virtue signalling whore, always flashing a smile. He's got to show a few hard fought victories. Weed is last year's win.

2) the economy. I think the price of oil is heading south as China slows down. Real estate may get bumpy.

The latter is out of his control, but he better nut up on the first point.

 

[zeke]

Daniel Dale @ddale8
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Trudeau, in rare criticism of Trump himself, says Canada needs an independent dispute resolution system in any U.S. trade deal in part because "we know we have a president who doesn’t always follow the rules":

 

[LeafGm]

Trudeau should tread carefully here. He may smell blood in the water where Trump is concerned with the midterms right around the corner, but you should never place any faith in the US electorate making the smart or right decision.

 

[MindzEye]

Trudeau should tread carefully here. He may smell blood in the water where Trump is concerned with the midterms right around the corner, but you should never place any faith in the US electorate making the smart or right decision.

This is fair, but I think recent polling has given Trudeau some latitude in dealing with Trump. The vast majority of Canadians have no interest in being bullied and want to see us punch back.

I agree that we need to be judicious with it, but I think Trump is likelier to take that as a compliment than a slight. Following the rules is for pussies.

 

[Altair]

I ****ing called it

https://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&sour...MwBHoECAoQFA&usg=AOvVaw3ZhLij4svQ1Du_r5UOfSZz

Tim Moen, the leader of the Libertarian Party of Canada, has revealed that he is in the later stages of talks with Maxime Bernier to form a new political party under Bernier’s leadership.

When addressing party members at a Regional Meeting in Red Deer, Albert, Moen spoke of handing the reins over to Bernier if the members voted to do so. He quite clearly stated that he was “happy” to drop his personal political ambitions for a unified liberty vote.

“We are having conversations with Max, and the question is going to be posed to the membership,” said Tim Moen

another poll says 17 percent of canadians would be open to vote for a bernier party, and 12 percent are not sure

NDP numbers already.

 

[UWHabs]

I ****ing called it

https://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&sour...MwBHoECAoQFA&usg=AOvVaw3ZhLij4svQ1Du_r5UOfSZz

another poll says 17 percent of canadians would be open to vote for a bernier party, and 12 percent are not sure

NDP numbers already.

Just because 17% say they might be open to voting for them doesn't put them to NDP numbers yet. Nanos' most recent numbers have 35% of people who would consider voting NDP. Greens are at like 27% of people open to voting there too. They've still got a ways to go to even make it to the Greens.

 

[Altair]

Just because 17% say they might be open to voting for them doesn't put them to NDP numbers yet. Nanos' most recent numbers have 35% of people who would consider voting NDP. Greens are at like 27% of people open to voting there too. They've still got a ways to go to even make it to the Greens.

I for some reason see bernier doinf better than may.