New Canadian Politics Thread

[LeafGm]

and so the classic newly elected conservative leader's walk back to the centre begins.

I’m kind of surprised Poilievre’s even doing this. I thought he might try a new strategy and go full hard-right/populist after winning the leadership.

Maybe the bet is that he’s kissed up enough to the extremist wing of the party that they’ll be willing to give him the benefit of the doubt on a move towards the center during the regular campaign.

 

[Wayward DP]

I’m kind of surprised Poilievre’s even doing this. I thought he might try a new strategy and go full hard-right/populist after winning the leadership.

Maybe the bet is that he’s kissed up enough to the extremist wing of the party that they’ll be willing to give him the benefit of the doubt on a move towards the center during the regular campaign.

yeah I was not expecting this either but who the hell knows.

I also worry that the folks on the far right as so far gone that they are just going to vote PP no matter what, and anything that happens between now and the election is fake news. I think I am just agreeing with you.

either way - fuck PP.

 

[thehabhater]

The hard right would vote CPC even if the candidate was a potted plant.

 

[LeafGm]

The hard right would vote CPC even if the candidate was a potted plant.

Not necessarily.

If they’re extremely unenthused by a candidate, they either vote for the People’s Party or, more likely, just stay home.

I think this happened a bunch with both O’Toole & Scheer.

 

[MindzEye]

If the right wing nutters feel like PP has abandoned them, they will happily dive back onto the PPC bandwagon. Remember that there is precedent for them to believe in here. They don't give a fuck about having a mildly allied prime minister...they want to be the Reform Party part II. Where they swallow the right wing whole and then gain power.

 

[WeHaveMoreCupsThanYou]

and so the classic newly elected conservative leader's walk back to the centre begins.

For Pee-Pee that's going to be a long walk, like the one he took with James Topp.

 

[hockeylover]

 

[thehabhater]

This is what happens when you don't really have a question, but you have to make one up on the spot..

 

[WeHaveMoreCupsThanYou]

If I were responsible for answering "Why didn't you prevent a hurricane?" during Question Period, I would say "Mr. Speaker, if it is deemed proper that we the government should be expected to know how to prevent a weather event like a hurricane from occurring, then I feel it is every bit as proper and legitimate for me to ask why the Honorable Member is being such a performative dick."

 

[thehabhater]

More apt would be. " Mr Speaker, this government climate control issue legislation, and the honorable MP voted against it.
I would like the MP to explain to this house why she did so."

 

[CH1]

I’m kind of surprised Poilievre’s even doing this. I thought he might try a new strategy and go full hard-right/populist after winning the leadership.

Maybe the bet is that he’s kissed up enough to the extremist wing of the party that they’ll be willing to give him the benefit of the doubt on a move towards the center during the regular campaign.

he's all about winning....he went kookoo right because it was an easy hack to sign up an historical amount of new devotees.

now, he knows he can't beat Justin with his crypto loving/far right musings

the trick is to balance both stances by going centre with the occasional dog whistle to assure the crackpots he's still one of them

 

[MindzEye]

he's all about winning....he went kookoo right because it was an easy hack to sign up an historical amount of new devotees.

now, he knows he can't beat Justin with his crypto loving/far right musings

the trick is to balance both stances by going centre with the occasional dog whistle to assure the crackpots he's still one of them

I honestly dont think that balance is possible in Canada, not while the pressure release valve known as the PPC is there. You won't be able to talk crazy enough to keep the PPC vote, without a lot of centristish conservatives in Ontario staying home on election day. Oh, they won't vote for trudeau under any circumstance, but they'll magically be really, really busy that day.

 

[CH1]

I honestly dont think that balance is possible in Canada, not while the pressure release valve known as the PPC is there. You won't be able to talk crazy enough to keep the PPC vote, without a lot of centristish conservatives in Ontario staying home on election day. Oh, they won't vote for trudeau under any circumstance, but they'll magically be really, really busy that day.

we'll see...I don't know....BUT my fear is that PP made such a great first impression on them that some may cut him some slack and even realise (gasp) that he's the closest they'll come to having one of them in power

 

[MindzEye]

we'll see...I don't know....BUT my fear is that PP made such a great first impression on them that some may cut him some slack and even realise (gasp) that he's the closest they'll come to having one of them in power

I don't know if they would actually buy that though. The reform party started off as what the PPC is right now. If you're a PPC voter right now, does supporting a very watered down version of your beliefs land on your radar?

I see what you're saying, but the PPC voters already went rushing back on both Scheer and otoole made any noises with their mouths to appeal to centrist voters. They're at least as likely to see Pierre as having used them to get his hands on the cpc leadership

 

[LeafGm]

I honestly dont think that balance is possible in Canada, not while the pressure release valve known as the PPC is there. You won't be able to talk crazy enough to keep the PPC vote, without a lot of centristish conservatives in Ontario staying home on election day. Oh, they won't vote for trudeau under any circumstance, but they'll magically be really, really busy that day.

It's a tight-rope that I don't think any CPC leader to date has been able to walk. Not even Harper, really, even though you could argue he didn't really do much overt pandering to the extreme right wing until his final election campaign (when he lost badly and Trudeau won his majority).

I think he was able to get away with it because social media and widespread online nuttery hadn't yet reached the maturity it has now. And because after three consecutive Liberal majority governments and one Liberal minority that had spanned the previous 13 years, the nutters were willing to tolerate a leader who ruthlessly suppressed them and tried his best to appeal to the center because of their desperation to get a Conservative Party back in power and hope that they'd eventually be able to steer the ship hard to starboard. Which didn't really end up working out for them.

 

[MindzEye]

Also, Harper probably gets pumped sooner if the Liberals had put forward a decent candidate. The Harvard twat and dion were two of the 3 weakest liberal leaders since fucking confederation.

It's a really difficult dance to maintain and its getting harder imo.

 

[Wayward DP]

I dunno, I am pretty fearful of PP and his electoral chances against JT. Count me in the camp who thinks PP is our next PM, much as it pains me to say it (it pains me greatly).

 

[Preston]

He's a different breed than the last two, that's for sure. I fear he's a very good, charismatic politician and really, that may be all you need to beat JT at this point. I thought he was going to continue on with the wacko shit and as a result basically counted him out entirely, but I underestimated him I think.

 

[manny]

It’s not about keeping the extreme right wing in the fold for PP, it’s about stoking populist rage without alienating tradition Conservative voters.

Backing crypto is a good example—that isn’t a conservative policy. It’s most popular with alt-right voters and supporters of the Green Party. It’s anti-elite.

On climate change, that idiotic hurricane comment is a preview. They don’t want it to be about whose policies are more likely to solve the problem, or even about whether there is a problem, they want to screech that the elitist, globalistLiberals haven’t saved the planet yet, so why not try something else. “See our amazing new climate plan, which we will release in two weeks.”

It also doesn’t take the perfect politician to beat a Party that has been in power for 10 years.

 

[MindzEye]

Right now, Pierre has pulled 5 of the 8% of voters that were showing up in the PPc column. It's just not a viable dance that I think can be maintained.

On top of that, I'm also not convinced that the Liberals and NDP won't just coalition up after their recent tag teaming was received so well by their respective voters. I think the centre-left is a bit fatigued of constantly being a bad vote split away from a conservative government.