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10 Sep 1971 - 1 Nov 1985 Peter LougheedPC
1 Nov 1985 - 14 Dec 1992 Donald Getty PC
14 Dec 1992 - 14 Dec 2006 Ralph Klein PC
14 Dec 2006 - 7 Oct 2011 Ed Stelmach PC
7 Oct 2011 - 23 Mar 2014 Alison Redford PC
23 Mar 2014 - 15 Sep 2014 Dave Hancock PC
15 Sep 2014 - 24 May 2015 Jim Prentice PC
24 May 2015 - Rachel Notley NDP
 
She won by a fluke. Even a day or two after the win, everyone was predicting that they would get crushed hard the next time. The fact that they were even within shouting distance, against a united conservative party, show how good of a job she did.

As for the future of AB politics, gotta think that's the final deathblow to the provincial Liberal party. Less than 1% of the vote, they have to fold. Whether the Alberta Party sticks around or not is another question. Most likely they will, and try to keep recruiting UCP members who want to defect, but hard to continue when you have 0 seats. They still had almost 10% of the vote, but it was pretty spread out.
 
zeke said:
nah.
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She was elected on the promise that putting in a environmental plan, a carbon tax and closing coal power plants would shed the tag of alberta being environmental laggards and thus open up the rest of canada to accepting pipelines.

They did tackle the environmental file but the feds and BC, indigenous people and the courts never accepted pipelines.

So her strategy failed and now Alberta who tried to be cooperative in order to get pipelines will now try the warpath route.

But if the rest of canada worked with Notley instead of giving her the shaft and she wins easily.
 
Altair said:
She was elected on the promise that putting in a environmental plan, a carbon tax and closing coal power plants would shed the tag of alberta being environmental laggards and thus open up the rest of canada to accepting pipelines.

They did tackle the environmental file but the feds and BC, indigenous people and the courts never accepted pipelines.

So her strategy failed and now Alberta who tried to be cooperative in order to get pipelines will now try the warpath route.

But if the rest of canada worked with Notley instead of giving her the shaft and she wins easily.
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she was elected because she was not part of the provincial PCs.

and she has no control over the price of oil, which is Alberta's biggest issue (only because of decades of mismanagement, but I digress)
 
Wayward DP said:
she was elected because she was not part of the provincial PCs.

and she has no control over the price of oil, which is Alberta's biggest issue (only because of decades of mismanagement, but I digress)
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She has no control over the price of oil, but canada does have control over the price of transit and capacity.

Oil over rail is more expensive, cumbersome, and has a lower capacity.

A pipeline lowers the cost of transit, which means oil companies can survive lower oil prices.

Trudeau, the courts, indigenous groups, BC ect all blocked new pipeline construction thus keeping expenses higher than they would have been with pipelines leading to the crisis in the energy sector.

If Notley had a pipeline to help out the energy sector that she could point to and say that her policies helped to bring it about she wins another term.
 
The price of Oil has rebounded sharply...the problem is tarsand oil is as expensive as f uck. And cheaper fracking tech has made the US almost energy independent.
 
CH1 said:
The price of Oil has rebounded sharply...the problem is tarsand oil is as expensive as f uck. And cheaper fracking tech has made the US almost energy independent.
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Which is fine as long as the tarsands can get their product to market in a affordable way.

Rail isn't affordable and it doesnt have the capacity. Pipelines are cheaper and they can fully take albertas oil capacity. The logical thing is to build a pipeline.
 
zeke said:
There are so many pipelines already.
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Not enough to move all of the oil alberta produces out of the province in a timely fashion that doesn't create bottlenecks.

Also not going to enough to get all the oil to international markets. I believe transmountain was going to triple the capacity moving to the west coast.
 
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zeke said:
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All commodities means natural gas.

Naturally you can't ship oil from the oilsands in a natural gas pipeline.

And while all the red lines are pretty, they don't state what their capacity is. For example the red line heading from alberta to the BC coast is the existing transmountain pipeline which has a capacity of 300k barrels of oil per day. The new one currently tied up would increase that to 890k barrels per day.

The canceled energy east would have carried 1.1 million barrels of oil a day.

Alberta produces 3.63 million barrels of oil a day, after a production cut. I think they were at 4 million before Notley put a production cap in place.
 
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Wayward DP said:
I wonder how Kenney will keep the population this angry all term. He kind of needs the anger to feed off of, seems its become his shtick.

****ing Alberta
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The UPC knows that it's not Trudeau keeping them from having their pipeline, it's the courts. So he'll have lots to rail against. It will be Alberta Proud vs Trudeau.

and yeah, if Scheer wins the next election, we'll re enter the Harper period where nothing gets done on the energy front but Albertans don't say a ****ing word about it.
 
MindzEye said:
The UPC knows that it's not Trudeau keeping them from having their pipeline, it's the courts. So he'll have lots to rail against. It will be Alberta Proud vs Trudeau.

and yeah, if Scheer wins the next election, we'll re enter the Harper period where nothing gets done on the energy front but Albertans don't say a ****ing word about it.
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Not entirely true.

Energy east die due to the government trying to introduce downstream emissions (no one talks about downstream emissions for ontario cars or quebec planes)

Bill C69 will make it impossible to build any new pipelines.

And the killed northern gateway as well, leaving little to no alternative to transmountain now ties up in the courts.

Trudeau has been no friend of alberta. Because of that Notley stood no chance.
 
UWHabs said:
She won by a fluke. Even a day or two after the win, everyone was predicting that they would get crushed hard the next time. The fact that they were even within shouting distance, against a united conservative party, show how good of a job she did.

As for the future of AB politics, gotta think that's the final deathblow to the provincial Liberal party. Less than 1% of the vote, they have to fold. Whether the Alberta Party sticks around or not is another question. Most likely they will, and try to keep recruiting UCP members who want to defect, but hard to continue when you have 0 seats. They still had almost 10% of the vote, but it was pretty spread out.
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Ya. The only thing that was going to save her was if oil prices rebounded greatly. Even then.
 
Altair said:
She was elected on the promise that putting in a environmental plan, a carbon tax and closing coal power plants would shed the tag of alberta being environmental laggards and thus open up the rest of canada to accepting pipelines.

They did tackle the environmental file but the feds and BC, indigenous people and the courts never accepted pipelines.

So her strategy failed and now Alberta who tried to be cooperative in order to get pipelines will now try the warpath route.

But if the rest of canada worked with Notley instead of giving her the shaft and she wins easily.
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she was elected as a protest vote and splitting the right vote
 
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