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trujaysfan said:
KW/London and Niagara falls should be part of the project.

Will be great for domestic tourism.

Does anything connect Quebec city to the maritimes in terms of passenger rail?
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I agree that there should be a western arm of it, the sooner the better, though imo I think that as long as it's integrated with Go Transit, there's no reason for 300km service to Niagara Falls if Go service expansion happens as planned. If you had a connecting station between the two systems at Burlington, it would only be a ~1 hr ride from there.
 
lecoqsportif said:
Yeah, through Moncton and then on to Halifax.

But cost benefit would be challenging. You have traverse a lot very low density area (including a big stretch in Quebec) before arriving in Moncton.
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Yeah, I don't see the point of it until some sort of regional rail solution that links all of the major mainland towns/cities already existed there and was high frequency. Basically what the GO Train is supposed to be in southern ontario when it's done, but linking the Moncton-St John-Halifax corridors to one another.

If that's not feasible, I don't see how high speed, high frequency linkage to quebec city would ever be feasible.
 
MindzEye said:
I agree that there should be a western arm of it, the sooner the better, though imo I think that as long as it's integrated with Go Transit, there's no reason for 300km service to Niagara Falls if Go service expansion happens as planned. If you had a connecting station between the two systems at Burlington, it would only be a ~1 hr ride from there.
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Would be funny for someone to take go transit from niagara falls to Toronto and then high speed rail to Montreal as the Toronto to Montreal leg would be the same amount of time as the niagara to Toronto.
 
trujaysfan said:
Would be funny for someone to take go transit from niagara falls to Toronto and then high speed rail to Montreal as the Toronto to Montreal leg would be the same amount of time as the niagara to Toronto.
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The GO expansion should get Toronto to Niagara times down to about 1:45-2 hrs....which is honestly pretty solid. The same drive takes 2.5+ hrs with the state of traffic on the QEW most days.
 
MindzEye said:
The GO expansion should get Toronto to Niagara times down to about 1:45-2 hrs....which is honestly pretty solid. The same drive takes 2.5+ hrs with the state of traffic on the QEW most days.
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And if you actually connected in Burlington, would be even less. But you want the core going to KW and London, and any other routes out can go from there.
 
MindzEye said:
The GO expansion should get Toronto to Niagara times down to about 1:45-2 hrs....which is honestly pretty solid. The same drive takes 2.5+ hrs with the state of traffic on the QEW most days.
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Depends on where in Toronto. Unless you hit rush hour the drive should be under 1.5 hours. The worst part is the QEW/403 split
 
MindzEye said:
Yeah, I don't see the point of it until some sort of regional rail solution that links all of the major mainland towns/cities already existed there and was high frequency. Basically what the GO Train is supposed to be in southern ontario when it's done, but linking the Moncton-St John-Halifax corridors to one another.

If that's not feasible, I don't see how high speed, high frequency linkage to quebec city would ever be feasible.
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You should only commit to a Toronto-Montreal or Toronto-Ottawa-Montreal high speed plan to start. IF that proves successful, THEN you perhaps start thinking about expanding it to London and Quebec City. But we're a good 10 years from even realizing the first part, if that.
 
UWHabs said:
And if you actually connected in Burlington, would be even less. But you want the core going to KW and London, and any other routes out can go from there.
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With train transfers, you're probably saving 15-25 minutes by taking the high speed route to Burlington, yeah. Mostly time saving from not stopping at the multiple go stations between Union and Burlington. Probably higher ticket cost as a trade off though.

imo, frequency is more important to total travel times than anything else when it comes to comparing the ~180kmh regional service vs the 300kmh HFR/Alto service. If go trains are 15 minute frequency, and HFR is 30 minute frequency, it's probably pretty fucking close to the same total travel time if you're waiting at the station the extra time to jump the HFR/Alto to Burlington.
 
worm said:
Okay grandma
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Shut it

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MindzEye said:
Yeah, I don't see the point of it until some sort of regional rail solution that links all of the major mainland towns/cities already existed there and was high frequency. Basically what the GO Train is supposed to be in southern ontario when it's done, but linking the Moncton-St John-Halifax corridors to one another.

If that's not feasible, I don't see how high speed, high frequency linkage to quebec city would ever be feasible.
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If we just annex Maine and New Hampshire, there’s a pretty sensible direct line from Montreal.

They don’t get to be their own province though. Just absorbed into New Brunswick.
 
trujaysfan said:
Non rush hour and it's 45 min to Toronto for me. I can get to st Catherine's in 35... niagara on the lake (namely pillar and post) in exactly 1 hour.
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You're in Burlington?

Like I said, sure if you're already in the west end of the city or if you're cool with paying for the 407 to avoid the 401. If you're coming from the middle of the city though, you're not doing Niagara in 1:30.
 
MindzEye said:
You're in Burlington?

Like I said, sure if you're already in the west end of the city or if you're cool with paying for the 407 to avoid the 401. If you're coming from the middle of the city though, you're not doing Niagara in 1:30.
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Just looked at Google maps and it's 1:51 estimated time for driving. 2:20 for train

Yes I'm in burlington
 
trujaysfan said:
Just looked at Google maps and it's 1:51 estimated time for driving. 2:20 for train

Yes I'm in burlington
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Yeah, the trains aren't properly grade separated yet, so they have to slow down through cities...which is like half of that entire route. Part of the the expansion is about removing/reducing road crossings to increase average speeds.
 
MindzEye said:
You're in Burlington?

Like I said, sure if you're already in the west end of the city or if you're cool with paying for the 407 to avoid the 401. If you're coming from the middle of the city though, you're not doing Niagara in 1:30.
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Last time I went to NF there was an accident on the Skyway Bridge. It took 1.5 hours just to get past the accident.

No one should ever be forced to look at Hamilton for an hour and a half.
 
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