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MindzEye said:
Better, the party probably melts down after they lose this. There is no party there when 50% of the membership are pro trump traitors and the other 50% aren't. The Trumpists can't exist in a tent with non believers.
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One part of me wonders if they’ll react kinda violently after having thought all this time that victory was theirs. The other part thinks about Nenshi tonking Smith and holy shit would that be funny.

Anyway, not getting ahead of myself. Gotta close the deal, and there’s still risk.
 
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It did happen in the U.S., though.
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Sure, and if we were talking about a leader of the CPC doing this I'd have some concerns that he could bring the other 50% over to him. This isn't that situation though and we're watching Pierre bleed support in real time. The knives will come out after the election as they always do and the nutters will insist on one of their own, the traditional canadian conservatives will want no part of someone further down the populism path than Pierre.
 
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Yeah I don’t see how PP stands a chance if he is too feeble to come down hard on this 51st state economic coercion crap. Harper is even trying to feed him lines, but he knows if he goes there, it alienates the loser Canadian MAGAt crowd.
 
MindzEye said:
Sure, and if we were talking about a leader of the CPC doing this I'd have some concerns that he could bring the other 50% over to time. This isn't that situation though and we're watching Pierre bleed support in real time. The knives will come out after the election as they always do and the nutters will insist on one of their own, the traditional canadian conservatives will want no part of someone further down the populism path than Pierre.
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Both sides might try to recruit Kevin O’Leary again. He’s even more toxic now though.
 
It worked with Ignatieff, but I think there's a few major differences here.

First and most importantly, Ignatieff looked like a sentient fence post in pain when he spoke. There was never any charm or humanity there. That was always the big concern with Carney, we were worried that he was all economy wonk, no personality. He's beaten those allegations for the most part, even his awkwardness with keeping the political talking points straight has a bit of "awww shucks, I'm new at this" charm to him. With Ignatieff, everything felt like what sitting at one of his lectures must have been like. If he was charming, he might have beaten Harper.

Second, Ignatieff himself went out of his way in books he wrote to refer to himself as "cosmopolitan" and more or less post national. He didn't necessarily run from his Canadian heritage but dude spent his entire professional life outside of the country. Basically, he was Canadian by birth, but pretty clearly not by choice. If Carney didn't have his BoC run on his resume, this same criticism might stick but he did, so it doesn't. His fantastic work as head of the BoC is why Canadians know who he is, and want him.
 
zeke said:

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This is definitely another sign of what I’ve been hoping for.

That Pierre would be faced with the almost impossible task of pleasing both his Convoy/MapleMAGA base and normal Canadians at a time when Trump is threatening an unprovoked trade war and has been either explicitly threatening or pissing on the idea of Canadian sovereignty on an almost daily basis for months now.

And all after losing his foil and biggest electoral asset in Justin Trudeau. Like others, I won’t count my eggs ‘til they’re chickened. But it is a ray of hope at least. Especially since all that’s truly necessary is keeping the CPC from getting a majority. Because if they can’t do that, they won’t be forming a government.
 
MindzEye said:
It worked with Ignatieff, but I think there's a few major differences here.

First and most importantly, Ignatieff looked like a sentient fence post in pain when he spoke. There was never any charm or humanity there. That was always the big concern with Carney, we were worried that he was all economy wonk, no personality. He's beaten those allegations for the most part, even his awkwardness with keeping the political talking points straight has a bit of "awww shucks, I'm new at this" charm to him. With Ignatieff, everything felt like what sitting at one of his lectures must have been like. If he was charming, he might have beaten Harper.

Second, Ignatieff himself went out of his way in books he wrote to refer to himself as "cosmopolitan" and more or less post national. He didn't necessarily run from his Canadian heritage but dude spent his entire professional life outside of the country. Basically, he was Canadian by birth, but pretty clearly not by choice. If Carney didn't have his BoC run on his resume, this same criticism might stick but he did, so it doesn't. His fantastic work as head of the BoC is why Canadians know who he is, and want him.
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Ignatieff was a dilletante who acted like he wasn't all that interested in the job but was willing to be wooed. He never connected with, well, anyone really, and he always gave off the air of someone who had better things to do and was only running as a favor to the country.

But let's face it: Pee-Pee is no match for Carney. Hell, even Harper probably likes him better than he does Poilievre. He ran the Bank of Canada after being appointed by Harper. It's going to be pretty difficult for Poilievre to circle that square because Harper is still a God to those yokels.

Carney is Harper approved. Poilievre is Modi approved. Big difference.
 
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