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LeafGm said:
Even aside from all the BS, it was time to Trudeau to go. There hasn’t been a PM in living memory that’s bumped up against the 10 year-mark in office without Canadians getting so sick of their shit that they can no longer effectively govern.

Though the anti-Trudeau rhetoric in the last few years is definitely beyond what we’ve ever seen before. And has been mostly supercharged by MAGAts south of the border, and anti-vaxxers/freedom convoy shitheads butthurt that he shut down their carnie carnival instead of meekly acceding to their demands and allowing them to carry out a coup.
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I'm mostly with you.

But, Trudeau has really met the current moment. And I think I would prefer him in charge to Carney in dealing with dotard.

But it's also been almost 10 years and that's a lot of baggage for any politician in normal times, so I get the fatigue and desire for change.
LeafGm said:
The same forces will try to generate the same amount of anti-Carney hate, but they’re in tough considering Carney wasn’t in government during Covid or the Convoy.
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disagree with the bolded, just because facts and reality basically no longer matter to most
 
Wayward DP said:
I'm mostly with you.

But, Trudeau has really met the current moment. And I think I would prefer him in charge to Carney in dealing with dotard.

But it's also been almost 10 years and that's a lot of baggage for any politician in normal times, so I get the fatigue and desire for change.
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Yeah, I get where you’re coming from. Trudeau has proven that he shines the most in a time of crisis and that he’s particularly adept at standing up to Trump.

But as much as some people might appreciate the work he’s done in the past couple of months, I still think that the fact he’s announced he’s leaving plays a large part in his own recovered popularity and his party’s rebound in the polls.

If you tried to pull ye old switcheroo and keep him as PM at this point, I think you’d be guaranteeing electoral annihilation at the hands of the CPC.

Wayward DP said:
disagree with the bolded, just because facts and reality basically no longer matter to most
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You’re probably right. Hard to argue with you on this point. But Trudeau specifically has been such a bugbear to the Canadian far-right and the American right for years now that I’m still not sure it’s possible to seamlessly and instantly transfer that animosity over to a new face like Carney.

Guess we will see. And they certainly will try.
 
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And on the subject of Trudeau—if he was actually amenable to sticking around, if I was Carney I’d make him our Minister of Foreign Affairs.

But if his daughter’s speech last night and how Trudeau looked was any indication, I think he’s looking forward to a long stretch out of politics.
 
I think just for political reasons, Carney has to try to at least mildly distance himself from JT. He still needs to insulate him from PP's attacks.

Usually in these cases, Justin will end up running for secretary-general of the UN or something along those lines. But he very well might like to just relax in Tofino and get some of his personal life in order first.
 
Carney has already distanced himself from JT by announcing that he's scaling back the carbon tax. In so doing he has neutered the CPC's only 2 campaign issues: Trudeau and the Carbon Tax.

Now the Poilievre team is scrambling to try and get people to believe that Carney is just a slightly older Trudeau. And the minions are already manufacturing and selling FUCK CARNEY flags.
 
there is enough anger already present amongst the average joe that I don't think it's gonna take much effort (or logic) to successfully redirect it from Trudeau/carbon tax to Carney/whatever they make up.

combine that with most people not knowing what the fuck is actually happening (or how the carbon 'tax' actually worked)...
 
LeafGm said:
And on the subject of Trudeau—if he was actually amenable to sticking around, if I was Carney I’d make him our Minister of Foreign Affairs.

But if his daughter’s speech last night and how Trudeau looked was any indication, I think he’s looking forward to a long stretch out of politics.
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He's going to be PM again in 10-15 years anyway, so let him chill out and enjoy life for a bit.
 
Always remember kids, we need America more than they need us, allegedly.

ottawacitizen.com

South Korea wants to sell submarines to Canada as relations sour with U.S.

South Korea sent a delegation to Canada to pitch itself as a reliable procurement partner for the Department of National Defence.
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South Koreans trying to rebound sex the hell out of us when the angry break up text messages aren't even cold yet.
 
Remember, the Koreans are big on outsourcing production to the host nations as well. Poland bought a ton of K2 main battle tanks and are doing the assembly in country.
 
that's awesome.

Canada could make a bold move here and become far more influential than our size would dictate. canada in particular breaking up with the US would be a huge symbolic step, and aggressively pursuing partnership with EUR/UK/AUS and JPN/SK could really create a new democratic bloq with us at the forefront.
 
zeke said:
that's awesome.

Canada could make a bold move here and become far more influential than our size would dictate. canada in particular breaking up with the US would be a huge symbolic step, and aggressively pursuing partnership with EUR/UK/AUS and JPN/SK could really create a new democratic bloq with us at the forefront.
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Domestic military production is a high margin industry and one of the best ways to punch above your weight class. If we're going to be pounding a bunch of money into future proofing the economy, it needs to be in 3 main categories imo

Energy - Everything. Pipeline, refineries, nuclear, wind, solar, wave, fucking everything. We're a massive country and every region has different strengths and weaknesses

Manufacturing - We're way too reliant on automotive manufacturing. We should be challenging the US, Germany, & Japan in more complicated and higher margin types of manufacturing. Power infrastructure (we're world leaders in nuclear tech ffs), military grade equipment & drones, semi conductor, vaccines, etc.

Productivity - Canadian corporations have been asleep at the wheel for a generation and we've fallen badly behind peer nations, but there's a lot to this category. Just pumping money into what was already mentioned above will significantly improve productivity, but modernizing our transportation networks is huge. It's hard to be a highly productive economy when moving people around your core economic centres is so painfully slow. A rail makeover has already started thankfully, but we need more, multiples of the investment already made and planned.
 
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zeke said:
that's awesome.

Canada could make a bold move here and become far more influential than our size would dictate. canada in particular breaking up with the US would be a huge symbolic step, and aggressively pursuing partnership with EUR/UK/AUS and JPN/SK could really create a new democratic bloq with us at the forefront.
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it's almost criminal not to do this ASAP IMO, given dotard's annexation desires (and trade war...)
 
MindzEye said:
Domestic military production is a high margin industry and one of the best ways to punch above your weight class. If we're going to be pounding a bunch of money into future proofing the economy, it needs to be in 3 main categories imo

Energy - Everything. Pipeline, refineries, wind, solar, wave, fucking everything. We're a massive country and every region has different strengths and weaknesses

Manufacturing - We're way too reliant on automotive manufacturing. We should be challenging the US, Germany, & Japan in more complicated and higher margin types of manufacturing. Power infrastructure (we're world leaders in nuclear tech ffs), military grade equipment & drones, semi conductor, vaccines, etc.

Productivity - Canadian corporations have been asleep at the wheel for a generation and we've fallen badly behind peer nations, but there's a lot to this category. Just pumping money into what was already mentioned above will significantly improve productivity, but modernizing our transportation networks is huge. It's hard to be a highly productive economy when moving people around your core economic centres is so painfully slow. A rail makeover has already started thankfully, but we need more, multiples of the investment already made and planned.
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I'm with yah, but I don't know how we solve our productivity issues in less than like a full generation, or the amount of time it will take to properly invest in transit and fix our car-centred culture.
 
Wayward DP said:
I'm with yah, but I don't know how we solve our productivity issues in less than like a full generation, or the amount of time it will take to properly invest in transit and fix our car-centred culture.
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Oh, this is definitely generational. You can't fix a problem created over 4-5 shit political generations in a single generation.

The thing about car culture though is that it's a response to external stimulus. When everything is spread out and hard to get to by transit, people buy cars. Nobody actually wants to sit in traffic for 2 hours a day though. There's lot of case studies of European cities that were car centric in the 60's-70's because they adopted US city planning methods after the war, who said fuck that and within ~10 years completely changed their cities to walkable, bikeable, transit oriented cities.
 
MindzEye said:
Domestic military production is a high margin industry and one of the best ways to punch above your weight class. If we're going to be pounding a bunch of money into future proofing the economy, it needs to be in 3 main categories imo

Energy - Everything. Pipeline, refineries, wind, solar, wave, fucking everything. We're a massive country and every region has different strengths and weaknesses

Manufacturing - We're way too reliant on automotive manufacturing. We should be challenging the US, Germany, & Japan in more complicated and higher margin types of manufacturing. Power infrastructure (we're world leaders in nuclear tech ffs), military grade equipment & drones, semi conductor, vaccines, etc.

Productivity - Canadian corporations have been asleep at the wheel for a generation and we've fallen badly behind peer nations, but there's a lot to this category. Just pumping money into what was already mentioned above will significantly improve productivity, but modernizing our transportation networks is huge. It's hard to be a highly productive economy when moving people around your core economic centres is so painfully slow. A rail makeover has already started thankfully, but we need more, multiples of the investment already made and planned.
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that's a lot of work on the productivity end.

in the short term though it would be great if places like SK already can produce state of the art military equipment because a huge part of trump's gamble here is that everyone else increasing their military budgets means a windfall for american military producers. It would be absolutely massive if SK and other places were already ready or near ready to produce legit top-end military equipment.

but yeah becoming producers (including but not just military) is eseential too. we have a long ways to go there. Refineries have to happen asap.
 
MindzEye said:
Oh, this is definitely generational. You can't fix a problem created over 4-5 shit political generations in a single generation.

The thing about car culture though is that it's a response to external stimulus. When everything is spread out and hard to get to by transit, people buy cars. Nobody actually wants to sit in traffic for 2 hours a day though. There's lot of case studies of European cities that were car centric in the 60's-70's because they adopted US city planning methods after the war, who said fuck that and within ~10 years completely changed their cities to walkable, bikeable, transit oriented cities.
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you're talking to a guy who bikes in to work year round.

insisted when we were house hunting that any house be a reasonable cycle commute to the office.

our car mostly sits in the driveway idle from M-F, aside from doggie chauffeur duties.

so yah, walkable, livable cities >>>>

I'm so fucking spoiled that I get right grouchy when I travel for work and have to drive about Southern Ontario.

but yeah, it's gonna take time, and a sustained effort. and effective communication so people understand that building more roads is not one and only solution to improve traffic (and in fact, not a solution at all)
 
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