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MindzEye said:
That's a weird way to say "Mark Carney thought Brexit was a dumb idea"
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How deep in the weirdo, MAGA-adjacent right-wing bubble do you have to be to figure that attacking someone for being anti-Brexit is something that’ll resonate with any Canadian that isn’t already a deeply committed CPC or PPC voter?

This tracks with what Ford’s campaign manager has been saying though. Poilievre and his inner circle are utterly unwilling to pivot to what’s emerged as the new central ballot question (defending Canadian sovereignty from Trump).

Instead, they’re going to keep slinging more and more mud at Carney and desperately hoping something sticks.
 
MindzEye said:
oh, I don't know if that's true.
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I say that because of relative power. The US, despite it all, is still one of the centres of global economic growth and innovation. Tariffs are incomprehensibly stupid, but in relative terms the US is less exposed to trade than just about any non-pariah country.

But the UK? What is it now? It built it’s wealth on a coercive empire that ceased to exist 80 years ago. It is a shadow of a shadow of it’s former self, a tax haven, real estate laundromat for foreign money and a tourist destination. Economic prosperity is highly exposed to trade, particularly with Europe. The idea it would replace lost EU trade with Global Britannia is delusional - they literally self-tariffed themselves from the largest consumer block in the world.

To me that’s the biggest own goal of the post Cold War cultural meltdown. I get that it was an anti-immigration/anti-London vote, but man did they screw then selves and more importantly… their kids and grandkids.
 
lecoqsportif said:
I say that because of relative power. The US, despite it all, is still one of the centres of global economic growth and innovation. Tariffs are incomprehensibly stupid, but in relative terms the US is less exposed to trade than just about any non-pariah country.

But the UK? What is it now? It built it’s wealth on a coercive empire that ceased to exist 80 years ago. It is a shadow of a shadow of it’s former self, a tax haven, real estate laundromat for foreign money and a tourist destination. Economic prosperity is highly exposed to trade, particularly with Europe. The idea it would replace lost EU trade with Global Britannia is delusional - they literally self-tariffed themselves from the largest consumer block in the world.

To me that’s the biggest own goal of the post Cold War cultural meltdown. I get that it was an anti-immigration/anti-London vote, but man did they screw then selves and more importantly… their kids and grandkids.
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We're definitely disagreeing over degrees of abject stupidity here, but where I see a key difference is that the UK could fix their mistake tomorrow. The EU would happily take them back (probably with a bit less of the sweetheart deal they had in the first place) and the economic damage would start to repair itself over time. The lessons of Brexit have already been pretty well learned and there's already a push for correcting course.

I don't know if there's coming back from this for the US though. Hedging against US insanity is going to be baked into the foreign and economic policy of every nation on the planet for the next 50+ years. A bunch of corrupt muppets thought that they could replace Pax Americana with Pax Americana, but this time with mob styled shake downs and coersion and they have such a fundamentally warped vision of American power both in scope and source that they think they can do it to everyone, at the same fucking time.

They're own goals from the same ideological family, 100%, I just see the irrepairable self kneecapping of a soft power empire as the bigger mistake than an aged former empire having an acid flash back of glory and former importance, that is very repairable. I mean, if the Brits asked to rejoin tomorrow, the EU says yes, let's them keep their currency, but ends up negotiating out a bunch of their special economic & social opt outs they used to enjoy.
 
MindzEye said:
We're definitely disagreeing over degrees of abject stupidity here, but where I see a key difference is that the UK could fix their mistake tomorrow. The EU would happily take them back (probably with a bit less of the sweetheart deal they had in the first place) and the economic damage would start to repair itself over time. The lessons of Brexit have already been pretty well learned and there's already a push for correcting course.

I don't know if there's coming back from this for the US though. Hedging against US insanity is going to be baked into the foreign and economic policy of every nation on the planet for the next 50+ years. A bunch of corrupt muppets thought that they could replace Pax Americana with Pax Americana, but this time with mob styled shake downs and coersion and they have such a fundamentally warped vision of American power both in scope and source that they think they can do it to everyone, at the same fucking time.

They're own goals from the same ideological family, 100%, I just see the irrepairable self kneecapping of a soft power empire as the bigger mistake than an aged former empire having an acid flash back of glory and former importance, that is very repairable. I mean, if the Brits asked to rejoin tomorrow, the EU says yes, let's them keep their currency, but ends up negotiating out a bunch of their special economic & social opt outs they used to enjoy.
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And there it is - the massive, bloody crux.
 
This is coming from Germany's outgoing Chancellor, who got whalloped in Germany's election last month, so attach what meaning to this as you will, but it's still a nice sentiment, I suppose:

nationalpost.com

'We stand by your side': Germany's Scholz condemns Trump's attacks on Canada

Outgoing German Chancellor Olaf Scholz said his country stands with Canada in its trade war with the U.S.
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Outgoing German Chancellor Olaf Scholz expressed solidarity with Canada to fend off President Donald Trump, who introduced tariffs against the northern neighbour and has repeatedly said it should become part of the U.S.

“Canada is not a federal state of anyone. Canada is a proud, independent nation. Canada has friends all over the world — and especially many of them here in Germany and Europe,” Scholz said at the opening ceremony of the Hanover Messe trade fair. “We stand by your side.”
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hockeylover said:

Responding to a question following the call between Prime Minister Mark Carney and U.S. President Donald Trump, Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre said it was 'clear' Trump wants to keep the Liberals in power because 'they have been very good for his agenda.'

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Absurd obviously but I have no doubt there's people who will fall for this.
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They were voting for him anyway
 
LeafGm said:
This is coming from Germany's outgoing Chancellor, who got whalloped in Germany's election last month, so attach what meaning to this as you will, but it's still a nice sentiment, I suppose:

nationalpost.com

'We stand by your side': Germany's Scholz condemns Trump's attacks on Canada

Outgoing German Chancellor Olaf Scholz said his country stands with Canada in its trade war with the U.S.
nationalpost.com nationalpost.com
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There’s going to be a lot of solidarity starting next week when the US tariffs everyone. Would have been nice if more countries had spoken out before.
 
Japan, S Korea.

Plus they need to nurture relationships with key emerging players. They’ll might always be a little stand offish, but it’s good to know where they are coming from. (Indonesia, Nigeria, Brazil, etc.)
 
lecoqsportif said:
Japan, S Korea.

Plus they need to nurture relationships with key emerging players. They’ll might always be a little stand offish, but it’s good to know where they are coming from. (Indonesia, Nigeria, Brazil, etc.)
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There's definitely going to be some interesting fall out from this if Europe is able to pull it all together, but I think it basically cedes Africa to China from a friendship standpoint. The history of colonialism in Africa is probably too much to overcome for a unified Europe. Latin America though? They would love to have strong friends that were neither the US or China. There's a lot of synergy there imo. Same with SEA, they'll always be looking for friends to balance out China on their doorstep, though I was relatively happy to see the American muppets admitting that China taking Taiwan would devestate the US economy for a generation...because it fucking would...so they want to focus on that threat, which is smarter than I figured they were.
 
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