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axlsalinger said:
The right hates environmental protections getting in the way of using our natural resources (oil, gas, minerals, etc.) to increase GDP.
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Irony is one of the guys on Mount Rushmore, GOP Teddy Roosevelt was responsible for many of the parks/protecting the environment/anti-monopoply. Though he was more of a "progressive conservative [heh].
 
MindzEye said:
Kitimat isn't production, it's a LNG export terminal where they can pipe natural gas into, and liquify it there for loading onto LNG ships for transport. The gas itself will come in over existing pipelines from Alberta.
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I get that, but I thought they were saying that the natural gas was being pulled from northern BC. I think it's all inter-connected. I guess the part of the WCSB that involves Alberta is pretty big?

The natural gas used at the LNG Canada facility in Kitimat, BC, primarily comes from northeastern British Columbia, specifically the Dawson Creek area. This gas is transported via the Coastal Gaslink pipeline. The gas is then liquefied at the facility and exported to global markets.
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The natural gas originates from areas within the Western Canadian Sedimentary Basin (WCSB), which includes northeast B.C.
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axlsalinger said:
I get that, but I thought they were saying that the natural gas was being pulled from northern BC. I think it's all inter-connected. I guess the part of the WCSB that involves Alberta is pretty big?
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Then I stand corrected. I figured it would come over from the big deposits in southern alberta.

Still, anyone complaining about that little technicality can fuck off. Canadian energy is Canadian energy.
 
MindzEye said:
Then I stand corrected. I figured it would come over from the big deposits in southern alberta.

Still, anyone complaining about that little technicality can fuck off. Canadian energy is Canadian energy.
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According to our new AI overlords:

Alberta is connected to the Kitimat LNG project through the Coastal GasLink pipeline, which will transport natural gas from Alberta to the Kitimat LNG facility for liquefaction and export. The project also involved a proposed oil refinery in Kitimat that was intended to process Alberta oil from the now-defunct Northern Gateway pipeline.
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And this must be why they're pissed off. (article from Feb. 2025)

www.westernstandard.news

Guilbeault pulls pin on $11-billion Kitimat refinery project backed by Stockwell Day

Call it the final nail in the coffin of the Northern Gateway pipeline, even as Canada faces crippling US energy tariffs.
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Call it the final nail in the coffin of the Northern Gateway pipeline, even as Canada faces crippling US energy tariffs.

That’s because Environment Minister Steven Guilbeault on Tuesday quietly terminated the environmental assessment of a proposed $11-billion oil refinery in British Columbia aimed at processing 200,000 barrels per day of Alberta oil flowing off the ill-fated Northern Gateway pipeline.

First proposed in 2016, Pacific Future Energy had envisioned the 150,000 barrel per day refinery, near Kitimat, as a way to export refined petroleum products like gasoline, diesel and jet fuel to Asia.

It would have operated in conjunction with a separate 200,000 bpd diligent recovery unit near Edmonton.

The project was to be fed from the now-defunct Northern Gateway pipeline, which was originally intended to transport 500,000 bpd of diluted bitumen from Alberta to the West Coast — and 200,000 bpd of natural gas liquids back again — before it was blocked by the federal government in 2016.

The cancellation of the Kitimat refinery is a significant, but inevitable, setback for those who had hoped to see new avenues for Alberta’s landlocked oil reach international markets. The project had garnered support from high-profile figures, including former Alberta cabinet minister and federal opposition leader Stockwell Day, who served on Pacific Future’s board of directors.

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The refinery’s cancellation adds to a series of setbacks for oil export projects on Canada’s West Coast. The Northern Gateway pipeline, originally proposed by Enbridge to transport Alberta’s oil to the Pacific, was rejected by the Trudeau government in 2016 after years of controversy and opposition from Indigenous and environmental groups.

Pacific Future Energy had positioned its refinery as a way to bypass those concerns by refining the oil domestically before export.

The proposed facility would have used carbon capture and storage (CCS) technology to minimize emissions, alongside a 200-megawatt gas-powered plant.
 
I guess the argument from Alberta would be that Kitimat largely benefits BC, whereas they had a refinery and additional pipeline cancelled. We're already set up at Kitimat so why not expand production? Would it be easy to sell, probably.

Carney is already talking about doing a lot on energy so sure, let's do more if it's feasible.
 
That article is a fantastic example of why I can't listen to Albertans cry about energy anymore, I just fucking can't. They're deeply dishonest and just expect their retcon to become reality

Okay...first, O&G companies propose all sorts of wild projects all the time and then cancel them the next time oil prices drop. That refinery was one of those:

financialpost.com

Pacific Future Energy Corp eyes 'money left on the table' for $11-billion refinery project in B.C.

Pacific is pushing ahead with the project despite market volatility and is seeking $25-million in financing, according to its chairman, Samer Salameh
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This refinery was a proposal...that they themselves put on the shelf for financial reasons, not because the evil liberals who hate energy stopped them. Crying about a wild ass, unfinanced proposal not happening is just crazy. May as well cry about Carmon Creek, Suncor Voyageur, Husky Sunrise, etc. At least those were real projects that real money had been spent on before the plug got pulled.

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Northern Gateway was not blocked by the federal government. It was blocked by the courts because....nobody in BC wanted it, and the various native groups that the pipeline would pass through the land of, weren't consulted. Albertans always want to blame it on Ottawa though, always.
 
axlsalinger said:
I guess the argument from Alberta would be that Kitimat largely benefits BC, whereas they had a refinery and additional pipeline cancelled. We're already set up at Kitimat so why not expand production? Would it be easy to sell, probably.

Carney is already talking about doing a lot on energy so sure, let's do more if it's feasible.
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I could dig up the natgas pipeline maps, but I'm going to bet that Dawson's Creek is already connected to Albertas network. It's close to the border, so either Alberta gas could be piped to Kitimat already, or a relatively small project could make it happen.
 
MindzEye said:
I could dig up the natgas pipeline maps, but I'm going to bet that Dawson's Creek is already connected to Albertas network. It's close to the border, so either Alberta gas could be piped to Kitimat already, or a relatively small project could make it happen.
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Sounds like Alberta will be sending some through that same pipeline down through BC.

Alberta will transport natural gas to Kitimat via the Coastal GasLink pipeline. This 670-kilometer pipeline, owned by TC Energy, will deliver gas from northeastern British Columbia to the LNG Canada facility in Kitimat. Once the gas reaches Kitimat, it will be liquefied and exported to global markets.
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Well, looks like it's all over for Carney. I don't know how his fledgling political career can survive a broadside like this from a respected intellectual, political and economic heavyweight like Lettuce Liz.


nationalpost.com

Carney 'did a terrible job' as Bank of England governor, says former British PM

Former British prime minister Liz Truss said Liberal leader Mark Carney "did a terrible job" as the Bank of England governor.
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“Mark Carney was the governor of the Bank of England who printed money to a huge extent, creating inflation,” she said, referencing the policymaker’s decision to reactivate a money printing programme in response to Brexit-related risks it had publicly warned about.

“He was the one who created the pensions crisis in the first place by not regulating the pensions industry properly,” she suggested.

She went on to suggest that Carney is among the cohort who “move in and out of the financial sector” and don’t believe in actually representing the interests of the electorate.

“They fundamentally believe that government should be run by experts who know best, which is them and their friends. They do not believe that democracy is a bottom-up thing.”

Later in the show, Beck turned the conversation back to Canada by asking Truss what happens to Canada under Carney.

She admitted to being “puzzled” by his rise to power within the Liberal party without being elected, something she feels is “illegitimate.”

“He did a terrible job in Britain of the governorship of the Bank of England. He created a lot of the problems that blew up on my watch, and that I got blamed for were actually created by him.”

In her view, “woke policies, high taxes, high spending,” and an unwillingness to use natural resources have caused European economic growth to fall behind the U.S., and Justin Trudeau caused similar issues in Canada.

“Mark Carney has been the advocate of these policies, so I don’t know what is going on in Canada, but in the same way as I think people in Britain need to wake up to what the real threat to our country is, I think they need to wake up in Canada.”
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The shameful thing is that anyone would publish this. Can we do away with this "the media loves the liberals" thing? We've got the Globe trying to insinuate that Carney is having secret meetings with random chinese businessmen "with ties to" the CCP and now we've got NatPost checking in with maybe the most useless Prime Minister in the history of the Westminster system while she appears on the....fucking Glen Beck show of all things.

Let's check the guest list of the Alex Jones show next week just to make sure we're not missing someone of fucking interest, eh?
 
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