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In 2025? Nah.

Post covid until the liberals figured out in 2024 that their programs were deeply unpopular because they were being implemented terribly, and halted them?

Yeah.
 
MindzEye said:
In 2025? Nah.

Post covid until the liberals figured out in 2024 that their programs were deeply unpopular because they were being implemented terribly, and halted them?

Yeah.
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Yeah since Covid it's been a mess. They gotta figure out the joke that is the "International Student".
And I do agree with PP about how we are overpopulated. We should never have hit 40 million with the healthcare situation. I've never understood the obsession with increasing the population so much while not addressing the issues that come with a larger population.
 
JackBurton said:
They gotta figure out the joke that is the "International Student".
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Mate, can I ask a small favour?

If you're going to say things like this:

JackBurton said:
And I do agree with PP
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Have a clue? I'm happy to provide this one free of charge though.

Student Visa program was changed in November of 2024:

www.canada.ca

New International Student Program regulations take effect

Canada’s diverse and inclusive society, high-quality educational institutions and potential opportunities to work or immigrate after graduation have made Canada a leading destination for students from around the world. The International Student Program must be sustainable, and students must be...
www.canada.ca www.canada.ca

and is having the intended impact:


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JackBurton said:
I've never understood the obsession with increasing the population so much while not addressing the issues that come with a larger population.
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It's a nature of our form of government. Federal government handles federal things, and provinces handle provincial things. The Federal government thinks we need an injection of working age population, and they're right. Our demographic curve is all fucked up and all of the services old people like to get for free because they paid their taxes their entire lives, are dependent on a robust enough working tax base to pay for them

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Note how smaller the bottom of that is. That's not a problem that you fix when you start feeling the impacts of it, it's a problem you fix 20 years before it's a problem. As in, now.

So the federal government is trying to fix a future problem because that's their job. The Provincial governments have not kept up with infrastructure build outs for decades now, despite the Federal governments being more or less willing to kick in significant percentages of large infrastructure projects.

So unless you want to retire into a Canada that no longer has socialized health care because the tax base isn't there to support it, support immigration. But yes, demand that we build enough homes and have modern transit for everyone to live in a more crowded Canada comfortably.

But seriously, the idea that any city built like this:

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suffers from overpopulation is just bad.
 
MindzEye said:
Mate, can I ask a small favour?

If you're going to say things like this:



Have a clue? I'm happy to provide this one free of charge though.

Student Visa program was changed in November of 2024:

www.canada.ca

New International Student Program regulations take effect

Canada’s diverse and inclusive society, high-quality educational institutions and potential opportunities to work or immigrate after graduation have made Canada a leading destination for students from around the world. The International Student Program must be sustainable, and students must be...
www.canada.ca www.canada.ca

and is having the intended impact:


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It's a nature of our form of government. Federal government handles federal things, and provinces handle provincial things. The Federal government thinks we need an injection of working age population, and they're right. Our demographic curve is all fucked up and all of the services old people like to get for free because they paid their taxes their entire lives, are dependent on a robust enough working tax base to pay for them

View attachment 29116

Note how smaller the bottom of that is. That's not a problem that you fix when you start feeling the impacts of it, it's a problem you fix 20 years before it's a problem. As in, now.

So the federal government is trying to fix a future problem because that's their job. The Provincial governments have not kept up with infrastructure build outs for decades now, despite the Federal governments being more or less willing to kick in significant percentages of large infrastructure projects.

So unless you want to retire into a Canada that no longer has socialized health care because the tax base isn't there to support it, support immigration. But yes, demand that we build enough homes and have modern transit for everyone to live in a more crowded Canada comfortably.

But seriously, the idea that any city built like this:

iu


suffers from overpopulation is just bad.
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Go into any hospital. I specifically mentioned healthcare (Although there are others).
No one is saying stop immigration. I'm saying don't continue like post Covid.
Also, simply fix some issues before you have a population explosion or don't do it.
Also, how about building more apartments to deal with population increase? There's laughable red tape to building anything residential.
 
And let's not forget that there are certain provincial governments who would prefer to privatize Healthcare because they will personally profit from it. Healthcare isnt a mess because of the Liberals in Ottawa, it's a mess because of who's in power in Toronto, Regina, and Edmonton.
 
But as mentioned, those are Provincial jurisdictions. The system is designed for the Federal government to deal with federal problems and the province to deal with provincial problems.

I mean, we're sitting here today in a Province where Doug Ford has historic popularity while heavily underfunding healthcare, so I'm struggling to take this serious that people actually fucking care until it's a problem that they face personally.
 
My take is fairly simply: it's fair to attack Trudeau for recognizing and fixing the problem that he created way too fucking late. Unfair to still whine and pretend that they didn't fix the issue already.
 
I used to work for RBC in Vancouver and during part of the training on how to look up customer profiles we could search for all sorts of prominent people, although we mostly just looked up the hockey players.
 
JackBurton said:
Yeah since Covid it's been a mess. They gotta figure out the joke that is the "International Student".
And I do agree with PP about how we are overpopulated. We should never have hit 40 million with the healthcare situation. I've never understood the obsession with increasing the population so much while not addressing the issues that come with a larger population.
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Maybe honoring some of the incoming peoples degrees etc with minimal training. So many doctors and lawyers from abroad working in customer service roles.
 
blkngldbabe said:
Maybe honoring some of the incoming peoples degrees etc with minimal training. So many doctors and lawyers from abroad working in customer service roles.
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Because we dont want to take away a good paying job from a Canadian. We only ever want 7-11 clerks and Uber drivers.

When the Mulroney government had the big immigration push in the 80's, specifically targeting Indians and Pakistanis, they made sure to let it be known that they wanted the lowest of the low, the most backward immigrants they could find, so that they could fill menial jobs. The last thing they wanted was upper caste Indian professionals coming here and taking jobs away from our doctors and lawyers.

And it's been that way since Clifford Sifton's "Last Best West" immigration program during the Laurier administration. They wanted peasants to work the land, not doctors and lawyers from Eurpoe's upper classes.
 
WeHaveMoreCupsThanYou said:
Because we dont want to take away a good paying job from a Canadian. We only ever want 7-11 clerks and Uber drivers.

When the Mulroney government had the big immigration push in the 80's, specifically targeting Indians and Pakistanis, they made sure to let it be known that they wanted the lowest of the low, the most backward immigrants they could find, so that they could fill menial jobs. The last thing they wanted was upper caste Indian professionals coming here and taking jobs away from our doctors and lawyers.

And it's been that way since Clifford Sifton's "Last Best West" immigration program during the Laurier administration. They wanted peasants to work the land, not doctors and lawyers from Eurpoe's upper classes.
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The problem is, there is a shortage of doctors and healthcare workers. Hence the shambolic state of ERs and lack of walk in clinics. Even GPs are few and far between. Population has boomed and places and people to get seen and see you are lacking.
 
blkngldbabe said:
The problem is, there is a shortage of doctors and healthcare workers. Hence the shambolic state of ERs and lack of walk in clinics. Even GPs are few and far between. Population has boomed and places and people to get seen and see you are lacking.
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Because 40 years since Mulroney, we are still importing Uber drivers and Tim Hortons cashiers instead of doctors. We don't need more cheap labor to drive wages down even further.
 
blkngldbabe said:
The problem is, there is a shortage of doctors and healthcare workers. Hence the shambolic state of ERs and lack of walk in clinics. Even GPs are few and far between. Population has boomed and places and people to get seen and see you are lacking.
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That's the issue a lot of people have. We were told that there would be DRs coming years ago to help and it feels so many of the immigrants work for Doordash.
 
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