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LeafGm said:
The Feds are just about the last people who should be taking shit for this.

The response to the occupation by the convoy was a series of cascading abdications of responsibility (and often tacit support) from the Ottawa police, to the municipal government to the provincial government before the Feds finally had to step in and sort shit out.
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Yeah, that is exactly where I am on this. Gonna have a fight with Mrs Wayward about it.
 
Wayward DP said:
Yeah, that is exactly where I am on this. Gonna have a fight with Mrs Wayward about it.
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I understand the need to have an inquiry to make sure the government isn't abusing things. But It's kind of crazy that the hearings will probably last longer than the entire trucker convoy itself did. And I bet after it's all done and the government is fully cleared, they'll announce that it cost however many million of dollars to do the hearings, and I bet people are going to try to blame the government for that as well.
 
UWHabs said:
I understand the need to have an inquiry to make sure the government isn't abusing things. But It's kind of crazy that the hearings will probably last longer than the entire trucker convoy itself did. And I bet after it's all done and the government is fully cleared, they'll announce that it cost however many million of dollars to do the hearings, and I bet people are going to try to blame the government for that as well.
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oh I have no problem with the inquiry.

Mrs. Wayward listened to some select jackasses and has decided that because the feds misrepresented fact x that they deserve scorn.

whereas to me it's as simply as, Ottawa Police... failed to do their job. OPP... failed to do their job. so the Feds had to do something lest our capital city turn into whatever the fuck the occupiers call it.

show the receipts, full transparency is good. but this is hardly an example of humongous government overreach considering what we are seeing around the world and in America. they waived Cabinet confidence FFS.
 
UWHabs said:
I understand the need to have an inquiry to make sure the government isn't abusing things. But It's kind of crazy that the hearings will probably last longer than the entire trucker convoy itself did. And I bet after it's all done and the government is fully cleared, they'll announce that it cost however many million of dollars to do the hearings, and I bet people are going to try to blame the government for that as well.
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…and if they hadn’t done the inquiry & hearings, those same people who’ll complain about the cost would have been screaming about a cover-up.

Hell, they’ll probably still scream about a cover-up if the conclusion of the hearings is anything other than “Justin Trudeau is an evil tyrant who unjustly and illegally crushed a bunch of innocent patriotic truckers under his boot heel.”
 
It is my understanding that an inquiry within a certain period of time is mandated by law.

As someone who was directly affected by the “occupation” I was more than happy and felt it was appropriate when it was enacted. Could the situation have been managed without the act I would say yes it could have but it wasn’t. Something had to be done to get the three police services working together and nothing else seemed to be working.
 
hockeylover said:
It could have been managed without the act but it wouldn't have been because provincial leaders were more than happy to let it fall on Trudeau and a significant number of cops were sympathetic to the cause.
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That could be true but I’m more inclined to think that since most of the targets of the protesters were under federal authority and yes Trudeau was one of the main targets of the protest so it became a federal policing and civil service problem to solve by coordinating with their provincial and local counterparts and police.
A pipe dream I know but without an emergency or some kind of special act, politicians should not be telling the police what to do. The police and their hierarchy should be able to get the job done. They couldn’t so yes Trudeau had to step in and accept the flack that comes with it. I think he realizes that and is willing to accept the flack that comes with the job.
 
anne25 said:
That could be true but I’m more inclined to think that since most of the targets of the protesters were under federal authority and yes Trudeau was one of the main targets of the protest so it became a federal policing and civil service problem to solve by coordinating with their provincial and local counterparts and police.
A pipe dream I know but without an emergency or some kind of special act, politicians should not be telling the police what to do. The police and their hierarchy should be able to get the job done. They couldn’t so yes Trudeau had to step in and accept the flack that comes with it. I think he realizes that and is willing to accept the flack that comes with the job.
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I think the lower levels (Ottawa Police or OPP) were more than within their rights to be able to de-escalate the situation. But they knew they didn't have to, because there was always a level further up that could have stepped in and taken the flak.

Whether that's because they supported the cause, or just didn't want to be accused of over-reach, it was pretty telling that the only time they started to really do anything was once the Feds started talking about using the emergencies act, then they finally started to do something. But by then, I think people had had more than enough of it, and with the extra powers we saw how fast everything came crumbling down.

I agree that it's better for governments to not interfere, but it was very clear that the police forces themselves were unable or unwilling to act. Pretty sure that should be the findings of the inquiry.
 
anne25 said:
That could be true but I’m more inclined to think that since most of the targets of the protesters were under federal authority and yes Trudeau was one of the main targets of the protest so it became a federal policing and civil service problem to solve by coordinating with their provincial and local counterparts and police.
A pipe dream I know but without an emergency or some kind of special act, politicians should not be telling the police what to do. The police and their hierarchy should be able to get the job done. They couldn’t so yes Trudeau had to step in and accept the flack that comes with it. I think he realizes that and is willing to accept the flack that comes with the job.
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not could be. is true. you are mixing up who has jurisdiction over what in your assumptions.
 
Bleedsblue&white said:
I just got an email from my parents...seems they moved to somewhere in Southern Alberta.
I figure he wasn't able to move to Florida so they did they nest best thing and moved to a right-wing-nut territory.

Good riddance.
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Where specifically? Just curious.

Lethbridge is okayish (by Alberta standards) because of the university and college there.
 
anne25 said:
That could be true but I’m more inclined to think that since most of the targets of the protesters were under federal authority and yes Trudeau was one of the main targets of the protest so it became a federal policing and civil service problem to solve by coordinating with their provincial and local counterparts and police.
A pipe dream I know but without an emergency or some kind of special act, politicians should not be telling the police what to do. The police and their hierarchy should be able to get the job done. They couldn’t so yes Trudeau had to step in and accept the flack that comes with it. I think he realizes that and is willing to accept the flack that comes with the job.
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Elgin street, Rideau, Kent St, Wellington are not under federal authority. If they’d set up on parliament hill (behind the fence) or on NCC land, then maybe this would make sense. But they set up on streets under city of Ottawa police jurisdiction. The police even helped the protesters set up a base camp in the baseball field parking lot (also city owned.) Doesn’t really matter if they are protesting federal policy or Santa Claus, if they are blocking city infrastructure it is a city police problem. But they did almost nothing until Trudeau stepped in.
 
anne25 said:
That could be true but I’m more inclined to think that since most of the targets of the protesters were under federal authority and yes Trudeau was one of the main targets of the protest so it became a federal policing and civil service problem to solve by coordinating with their provincial and local counterparts and police.
A pipe dream I know but without an emergency or some kind of special act, politicians should not be telling the police what to do. The police and their hierarchy should be able to get the job done. They couldn’t so yes Trudeau had to step in and accept the flack that comes with it. I think he realizes that and is willing to accept the flack that comes with the job.
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That's a nice thought but definitely a pipe dream. We've definitely felt the wrath of uh, certain belligerent politicians and ended up with memos on all our desks.

Also, elected officials sit on Police Service Boards so they quite literally tell the police what to do. Some of them are provincial appointees.
 
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The inquiry is good, no question (and a legislative requirement, no?) It exposes, again, the feebleness of the whining about tyranny. It’s also shedding a lot of light on how the failed police response was not just about resources, but about law enforcement’s unwillingness to enforce the law.
 
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