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OT: American Politics

hockeylover said:
“Trump’s support for Israel is not guaranteed in the second term, because Trump’s positions are made on the basis of what’s good for Donald Trump, not on some coherent theory of national security.”

- John Bolton

I’d say my reasons would be:

-his loyalty is worth absolutely nothing
-he cozies up to pro-Iranian autocrats
-rampant antisemitism among right wingers
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Listening to John Bolton now? Jfc
 
soco22 said:
When Jewish people say trump is better for Jews because of their views on Israel vs Harris. How would one respond to that - to call them dumb as a reason to support trump (aka nazi party)?
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I don't know the best way to get through but I'd probably refer to some of Trump's antisemitic statements. Accusing Jews of dual loyalty, saying any Jew who votes Dem needs to get their head checked, etc.

And I don't think this will resonate but a Trump victory could be the death knell for Israeli democracy, too. Bibi is dangerously close to Orbaning Israel.

The most practical thing though would be that Kamala will continue to support Israel against Hamas/Lebanon whereas Trump may not - he's never actually said he'd give more weapons, free reign, etc. He just says something along the lines of, 'they need to finish the job quickly'. No specifics, and rumours are he told Bibi to wrap up in Gaza by January. That could lead to a result where the hostages are never returned.

I think ultimately though you have to focus on tangible outcomes, not idealogical stuff. Like Kamala will actually support the Israeli war effort more than Trump - he's a total wild card, doesn't like Bibi, and is opposed to wars in general. Plus, he's on the side of Putin, who is a patron of Hamas.

But again, dunno if any of it gets through :(
 
FlyGuy said:
Yeah, totally disregard of EV and party registrations, totally. We're screwed, you're right.
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your inability to understand basic math does not mean a Trump victory is imminent.

and I just hope for your sake you don't get duped into committing a crime cause you've been misled for so long that you cannot fathom reality
 
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