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OT: American Politics

I see this a lot in my parents friends group. People who make well in excess of 200-300K a year, own vacation homes in Florida or huge Muskoka cottages that they spend 3-5 months of the year at complaining about inflation. They're the "nobody wants to work anymore" (for them...for minimum wage) people.

But they work harder than other people!
 
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But they work harder than other people!

Some of them do work crazy hard, but they've got divorces, drinking problems, and shitty relationships with their kids/family to show for it.

For the most part they inherited their parents business/trade and started on 1st or 2nd base. There's a few purely self made in there though as well, but those are the ones with the majority of the personal problems because they worked 12 hours a day, 52 weeks a year for decades to build what they have.
 
Some of them do work crazy hard, but they've got divorces, drinking problems, and shitty relationships with their kids/family to show for it.

For the most part they inherited their parents business/trade and started on 1st or 2nd base. There's a few purely self made in there though as well, but those are the ones with the majority of the personal problems because they worked 12 hours a day, 52 weeks a year for decades to build what they have.

It is what I always hear out here. As if pay is based of how hard people work.
The single mother working at mcdonalds and then evenings and weekends as a janitor also work hard.
 
It is what I always hear out here. As if pay is based of how hard people work.
The single mother working at mcdonalds and then evenings and weekends as a janitor also work hard.
Two jobs is tough, but I am curious about something...do people believe that every job should pay enough for people survive, or are there student jobs, starter jobs....I for sure do not believe that the cashier at Foodland should necessarily be able to afford the same kind of things that my kids, who went to University to get good jobs, can afford.

I absolutely believe our system is fucked up, and I believe there is lots more money for wages and that money does not need to come at the expense of our cost of living...but I also argue with people all the time that not every job was meant to keep you in comfort.
 
Two jobs is tough, but I am curious about something...do people believe that every job should pay enough for people survive, or are there student jobs, starter jobs....I for sure do not believe that the cashier at Foodland should necessarily be able to afford the same kind of things that my kids, who went to University to get good jobs, can afford.

I absolutely believe our system is fucked up, and I believe there is lots more money for wages and that money does not need to come at the expense of our cost of living...but I also argue with people all the time that not every job was meant to keep you in comfort.

i'd say a full-time 40hr/wk job should keep you above the poverty line, yes.
 
Two jobs is tough, but I am curious about something...do people believe that every job should pay enough for people survive, or are there student jobs, starter jobs....I for sure do not believe that the cashier at Foodland should necessarily be able to afford the same kind of things that my kids, who went to University to get good jobs, can afford.

I absolutely believe our system is fucked up, and I believe there is lots more money for wages and that money does not need to come at the expense of our cost of living...but I also argue with people all the time that not every job was meant to keep you in comfort.
I personally think that if you work full time hours anywhere you should get enough to *survive*. We need people to work at our grocery stores too.

That is different from “in comfort”.
 
Two jobs is tough, but I am curious about something...do people believe that every job should pay enough for people survive, or are there student jobs, starter jobs....I for sure do not believe that the cashier at Foodland should necessarily be able to afford the same kind of things that my kids, who went to University to get good jobs, can afford.

I absolutely believe our system is fucked up, and I believe there is lots more money for wages and that money does not need to come at the expense of our cost of living...but I also argue with people all the time that not every job was meant to keep you in comfort.
Having been dirt poor. Even with two employed parents. Yes. Every full time job should be able to at a minimum cloth, shelter, and feed people. The method to achieve that I'm less concerned with but many options to make that happen.
 
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