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OT: American Politics

zeke said:
there's an actual caculable poverty line using economic data. they should set minimum wage so that a 40hr/wk job reaches that. imo.
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In Canada, they set the poverty line based on being able to afford a set of basic goods. Looking around a bit, it seems to be around 25k per year, which is probably around a 17$ minimum wage, give or take.
 
hockeylover said:
Think maybe the bigger problem is that we were fed the idea that if we spent tens of thousands on school that we’d automatically be living in comfort and that ended up kinda being bullshit.
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I don't know if I would call that a bigger problem. If all jobs were required to have a regionally appropriate living wage, then entry level positions in specialized fields would be more or less required by market dynamics to pay a decent sized premium on top of that.

For example, the current livable wage calculation for the Simcoe/Bruce region is 23.05/hr. If all jobs were required to pay that, then someone entering the workforce with a 2-4 yr specialized education would have no incentive aside from pure resume building to accept a far more demanding job for the same money they could make working an non specialized entry level job elsewhere. Living wages are the proverbial rising tide that lifts all boats. There are bucketloads of money in the system to make this happen, but something something shareholders so it doesn't.
 
MindzEye said:
I don't know if I would call that a bigger problem. If all jobs were required to have a regionally appropriate living wage, then entry level positions in specialized fields would be more or less required by market dynamics to pay a decent sized premium on top of that.

For example, the current livable wage calculation for the Simcoe/Bruce region is 23.05/hr. If all jobs were required to pay that, then someone entering the workforce with a 2-4 yr specialized education would have no incentive aside from pure resume building to accept a far more demanding job for the same money they could make working an non specialized entry level job elsewhere. Living wages are the proverbial rising tide that lifts all boats. There are bucketloads of money in the system to make this happen, but something something shareholders so it doesn't.
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perhaps i just could've worded this better bc i think we're actually on the same page here.
 
hockeylover said:
Think maybe the bigger problem is that we were fed the idea that if we spent tens of thousands on school that we’d automatically be living in comfort and that ended up kinda being bullshit.
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Yes but a little bit no. The dream marketing machine is definitely insidious and a lot of programs are, simply put, crap. But caveat emptor, as well. The challenge is that sometimes parents aren’t familiar with the culture/industry and might not be able to offer informed advice to kiddo.

One wonders what it is “guidance counsellors” do - serious question.
 
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