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OT: American Politics

hardly insurmountable imo.

I dunno. We have highly integrated economies. It would definitely come at a cost.

I mean, I totally get where you’re coming from. But we need to be clear eyed about consequences. That said, unreliable and uncooperative US comes with a cost too…
 
US and Canadian intel operations are highly integrated. They can’t just kick Canada out of 5 eyes without seriously compromising their own security.
 
I dunno. We have highly integrated economies. It would definitely come at a cost.

I mean, I totally get where you’re coming from. But we need to be clear eyed about consequences. That said, unreliable and uncooperative US comes with a cost too…

I think being clear eyed about consequences is exactly why it needs to be done asap.

Living in denial about what is happening could ruin us and europe.
 
I think being clear eyed about consequences is exactly why it needs to be done asap.

Living in denial about what is happening could ruin us and europe.
Yep. It’s now the challenge of this generation for us and Europe. Time to start dictating our place in the new world order instead of trying to limit the damage and getting dragged along for the ride.

EU powered by Canadian resources, with defense pacts, is a hell of fortress. But ya, it’ll hurt a bit getting there. Start yesterday.
 
I dunno. We have highly integrated economies. It would definitely come at a cost.

I mean, I totally get where you’re coming from. But we need to be clear eyed about consequences. That said, unreliable and uncooperative US comes with a cost too…
The reintegration will be painful, no matter what, but I do think that as a country we could end up better in many ways with less US dependence. I keep going back to Australia as a model.
 
i hope so - and I also hope there's significant trade talks happening between these 4 countries and the rest of europe.

The biggest thing that has to happen is that we have to become a major supplier of fuel to europe asap. Get them off russian oil, and get us off depending on US to buy our oil. That would significantly change the global incentive strucures right now.

Can't happen. Even if we could hop the regulatory hurdles (EU environmental regulations don't necessarily forbid the import of Canadian oil, but we have a much "heavier" oil in sulphur content than WTI or Brent, so it's heavier in emissions and they're quite strict with emissions), logistically it just can't happen. We have about 1.5-2M bpd in refining capacity capable of handling Western Canadian Select (heavier oil requires a different refining set up) but Alberta produces closer to 4-4.5M bpd in WCS. Fwiw, that refining capacity doesn't meet our domestic needs (about 2.3M bpd) as it is so we import a fair amount of finished product.

Large refinery projects are 5+ year projects. So yeah, our heavy product has to go somewhere, and Europe isn't capable (or willing) to accept it in large amount. Now, our NatGas lines up nicely with European needs and that can be shifted pretty easily. The pipeline capacity is already there as far as I know and Europe shifted to US imports after the Russian invasion, we could replace every single fucking cube that the US sends them.

With all of that said, I'm entirely good with Carney coming in and saying that we're putting big ass refineries on both coasts asap and starting the process of uncoupling on our reliance on Cushing & Houston, but that's a tomorrow thing not a today thing.
 
The reintegration will be painful, no matter what, but I do think that as a country we could end up better in many ways with less US dependence. I keep going back to Australia as a model.

why it was always a pipe dream before is because we had no real alternatives to the US buying out stuff - but with US and Russia aligning against Europe, Europe finally has the motivation to turn to us for resources and we have the motivation to turn away from the US.
 
Can't happen. Even if we could hop the regulatory hurdles (EU environmental regulations don't necessarily forbid the import of Canadian oil, but we have a much "heavier" oil in sulphur content than WTI or Brent, so it's heavier in emissions and they're quite strict with emissions), logistically it just can't happen. We have about 1.5-2M bpd in refining capacity capable of handling Western Canadian Select (heavier oil requires a different refining set up) but Alberta produces closer to 4-4.5M bpd in WCS. Fwiw, that refining capacity doesn't meet our domestic needs (about 2.3M bpd) as it is so we import a fair amount of finished product.

Large refinery projects are 5+ year projects. So yeah, our heavy product has to go somewhere, and Europe isn't capable (or willing) to accept it in large amount. Now, our NatGas lines up nicely with European needs and that can be shifted pretty easily. The pipeline capacity is already there as far as I know and Europe shifted to US imports after the Russian invasion, we could replace every single fucking cube that the US sends them.

With all of that said, I'm entirely good with Carney coming in and saying that we're putting big ass refineries on both coasts asap and starting the process of uncoupling on our reliance on Cushing & Houston, but that's a tomorrow thing not a today thing.

it's a yesterday thing.
 

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exactly.

the only proper response here is not to say how important it is to stay in the 5 eyes but to form a new information sharing group only with actual allies, not enemies.


It might be filed under "O" for "ohfuckfuckfuck" but there is a contingency plan for this that the other 4 eyes have all independently developed about what would happen if any of the other 4 became compromised.

Routing around the US absolutely is going to limit capability, but there are other aligned nations with pretty robust intelligence capabilities.
 
it's a yesterday thing.

Which makes it a tomorrow thing.

The "good" news is that the US literally can't afford to tariff our oil for long, especially if they insist on placing the same on Mexico. WCS selling at a steep discount to WTI is a major reason their gas remains as cheap as it is.
 
The next energy mega projects should be geared for EU and Japan. For current production, we’ll just need to manage an unreliable US.

Don't know who is going to want to hear this, but if we're looking for an oil export partner in the short-medium term to pivot to, it's probably China. Japan and SK both have heavy oil refining capability as well.

Honestly, our best bet is probably to expand refinery capability in Sarnia to increase domestic fuel oil production so we can stop importing finished product from elsewhere, and like...fucking triple the capacity of TMX to the pacific. The Asian markets will gobble up everything we have to send. I don't think Europe is a viable partner for oil. They're more likely to increase purchasing of Middle Eastern and African oil. NatGas though, yeah we should be cutting into the American export supply that goes there way more or less immediately.
 
The thing that stands out to me even more than the Five Eyes stuff is the claim that we’ve been threatened with “revisions to the border”.


Why do I have a feeling when they enact those “revisions” the people saying “that’ll never happen” will move the goalposts again and act like carving off land from us is totally normal.

Just like Roe v Wade and “actually that wasn’t a coup” etc.
 
Don't know who is going to want to hear this, but if we're looking for an oil export partner in the short-medium term to pivot to, it's probably China. Japan and SK both have heavy oil refining capability as well.

Honestly, our best bet is probably to expand refinery capability in Sarnia to increase domestic fuel oil production so we can stop importing finished product from elsewhere, and like...fucking triple the capacity of TMX to the pacific. The Asian markets will gobble up everything we have to send. I don't think Europe is a viable partner for oil. They're more likely to increase purchasing of Middle Eastern and African oil. NatGas though, yeah we should be cutting into the American export supply that goes there way more or less immediately.

china has no reason to pivot off russian oil tho.
 
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