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OT: American Politics

zeke said:
how can we directly target american green energy companies that will be badly hurt by this bill with subsidies of our own i wonder.
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It's tough because I don't think you can do anything under the assumption that the American market is going to be open to anything we would theoretically produce. It would be more about quasi self sufficiency than developing as an export power.

Theoretically though, the place to hit the Americans is always going to be on the upscale jobs. Product design, engineering, etc. It's why they started outsourcing production on everthing decades ago, those are low value add (read: cheap) jobs that can be done anywhere. Employee 10 people using machines for 35K a year, or 1 guy who designed the machines who makes 200K a year? From an econ standpoint the answer is obvious.
 
MindzEye said:
It's time to recognize that China has won some of these industries and look to jump in downstream. Start building production facilities here and take the duties/tariffs off of the tech. We can't talk about decarbonizing out of one side of our mouth but then blame China for not letting carbon politics hold up the development of future tech industries on the other because we don't like them.
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Have you been to China? Last time I was in Hong Kong (2024), the chemical smoke coming from God knows what manufacturing process was so thick, you couldn't see 300 meters. Aircraft were flying 100% on instruments because the only thing pilots could see from 1,500 feet were tops of mountains. We started seeing it 20 minutes before we landed, and that's a fraction of the area it covered. Think about some heavy fog coming off the lake, except it has a horrific chemical smell and burns the back of your throat & your eyes so badly that you have to wear a mask and stay indoors. And that's what they let us see. Imagine the nonsense they don't allow westerners near. It was a thick blanket covering the countryside where you couldn't even tell where the ocean started and the land stops. Couldnt even see houses, villages, or roads on a bright, sunny day. They don't give not one single fuck about the environment nor the residents, children, and workers having to breathe that shit. I asked a few people about it and it apparently, was just another day, nothing out of the ordinary. They might be making some cool stuff, but at what cost to the air, land, water, and population? Nobody's monitoring or keeping that in check, at all.

Jim
 
Pucking Lamplighter said:
Have you been to China? Last time I was in Hong Kong (2024), the chemical smoke coming from God knows what manufacturing process was so thick, you couldn't see 300 meters. Aircraft were flying 100% on instruments because the only thing pilots could see from 1,500 feet were tops of mountains. We started seeing it 20 minutes before we landed, and that's a fraction of the area it covered. Think about some heavy fog coming off the lake, except it has a horrific chemical smell and burns the back of your throat & your eyes so badly that you have to wear a mask and stay indoors. And that's what they let us see. Imagine the nonsense they don't allow westerners near. It was a thick blanket covering the countryside where you couldn't even tell where the ocean started and the land stops. Couldnt even see houses, villages, or roads on a bright, sunny day. They don't give not one single fuck about the environment nor the residents, children, and workers having to breathe that shit. I asked a few people about it and it apparently, was just another day, nothing out of the ordinary. They might be making some cool stuff, but at what cost to the air, land, water, and population? Nobody's monitoring or keeping that in check, at all.

Jim
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I haven't been to China, and don't really have an interest in going. My only interest in them really is in, as stated, us looking to some green tech industries that they hold a massive advantage in, and shouldering our way into their value chain. We already make Honda's, Toyota's, Ford's, etc so why not BYD?
 
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