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OT: American Politics

MindzEye said:
I didn't think so, but when we're out here in the lord's year of 2026 specifically blaming democrats for cannabis being where it is still, well...yeah maybe.

But this is a common take in US politics. Democrats get blamed for not being able to get good things done fast enough while Republicans actively try to make it all worse.
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Oh no the gop sucks at getting things done that are "their" issues too. Whether it's mass deportations, doge, justice for pedos, no more foreign wars, or anything else, they do a lot of pandering to their base (welcome to politics) and we're mostly just left with war and blasting the fuck out of trannies in the end.

But pointing out that the Dems botched a layup issue should not be a controversial take my friend. And pointing that out does not = me thinking gop is great. You're debating with a weed stocks Twitter magabro here, and I'm not that. That offends me more than the groyper jokes.
 
Preston said:
But pointing out that the Dems botched a layup issue should not be a controversial take my friend. And pointing that out does not = me thinking gop is great. You're debating with a weed stocks Twitter magabro here, and I'm not that.
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I've never argued that they didn't botch it. All I did was call out a silly position of yours that you've continued to defend. Democrats have put foward multiple pieces of legislation that were defeated by Republicans (even when they held both houses, they did not have a filibuster proof majority in the Senate), and had their sitting POTUS at the time advance a reclassification piece on to the FDA (that took significant pressure to get him to do, because he's not pro cannabis). This is somehow proof that they're shit on the issue. Trump signs one of a half billion EO's that has gone nowhere and he's "stolen the issue" or some shit.

I mean, you keep telling me to stop debating weed stocks twitter, but you keep repeating their talking points.
 
MindzEye said:
I've never argued that they didn't. All I did was call out a silly position of yours that you've continued to defend. Democrats have put foward multiple pieces of legislation that were defeated by Republicans (even when they held both houses, they did not have a filibuster proof majority in the Senate), and had their sitting POTUS at the time advance a reclassification piece on to the FDA. This is somehow proof that they're shit on the issue. Trump signs one of a half billion EO's that has gone nowhere and he's "stolen the issue" or some shit.

I mean, you keep telling me to stop debating weed stocks twitter, but you keep repeating their talking points.
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They're my talking points, I don't read that stuff. My talking points are based on the facts, you're hung up on weedmagabro420s talking points and arrogance on twitter. You keep whatabouting this, but I'm not sure you get the point. If they're both shit on an issue that is extremely, almost unanimously popular on the left and independents, and while the Dems had the house and Senate they managed to pass 0 legislation to take a small win (when they had every opportunity to, but actively blocked it to put forth more ambitious bills that everyone knew would never pass) and move things forward, then I'm sorry but the Dems deserve a lot of blame there.

Trump has said more about cannabis in 1 year than Biden did in his entire 4 years. Yes it's lip service, yes it's pandering to podcast bros. But this is a layup dem issue, not a gop one.
 
Preston said:
You keep whatabouting this, but I'm not sure you get the point.
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I'm not "whatabouting". I'm pointing out the actual record here. Democrats proposed positive cannabis policy and the Republicans defeated it. This is what actually happened in the reality we all share. How that turns into something to blame the Democrats for on this actual issue is mind boggling, and as I've noted, is a line of thought I only ever see in one niche place on the internet.

Preston said:
But this is a layup dem issue, not a gop one.
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It's not a layup when the other team keeps blocking your shot mate.

Do the Dems deserve fault for not getting it done? Sure, why not. That's pretty typical of the modern centrist Dem, I've never said otherwise. But it's fucking farcical to look at the history of this issue, modern and less modern, and walk away with the position that the GOP, or Trump himself have been good on this issue, have stolen it, etc. A position that is amazingly divorced from any sober reading of the record on this.
 
MindzEye said:
I'm not "whatabouting". I'm pointing out the actual record here. Democrats proposed positive cannabis policy and the Republicans defeated it. This is what actually happened in the reality we all share. How that turns into something to blame the Democrats for on this actual issue is mind boggling, and as I've noted, is a line of thought I only ever see in one niche place on the internet.



It's not a layup when the other team keeps blocking your shot mate.

Do the Dems deserve fault for not getting it done? Sure, why not. That's pretty typical of the modern centrist Dem, I've never said otherwise. But it's fucking farcical to look at the history of this issue, modern and less modern, and walk away with the position that the GOP, or Trump himself have been good on this issue, have stolen it, etc. A position that is amazingly divorced from any sober reading of the record on this.
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But once again the point is being missed and I'm not quite sure how many ways I can say this. They had every ability to get something done 4-6 years ago and actively sabotaged themselves. I've never once argued that the GOP is drug friendly historically, holy lord get off twitter.
 
Neither side actually wants to pass any weed legislation. The US is a Christian Theocracy, with only very small parts of each party that would want to get anything done. Even if Trump actually signs an executive order, it will last about 3 days before something comes along to overturn it.
 
Preston said:
They had every ability to get something done 4-6 years ago and actively sabotaged themselves.
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Do you really misunderstand the American system this badly?

If you can't get 60 votes in the Senate, you can't beat the filibuster. Even with control of both houses, you need some measure of cooperation from the minority party to get something through the Senate. Republicans have been using this to obstruct Democrat controlled Senate's for a few decades now, this isn't new.

Schumer, for all of his general uselessness, put forward a full decriminalization bill (CAOA) in 2021 while Democrats were in charge of both houses and couldn't get it through because Republicans said they would filibuster it. It didn't even make it to a vote because of that.
 
UWHabs said:
Neither side actually wants to pass any weed legislation. The US is a Christian Theocracy, with only very small parts of each party that would want to get anything done. Even if Trump actually signs an executive order, it will last about 3 days before something comes along to overturn it.
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I think that the record shows Democrats would do it as long as they didn't feel that they had to expend a significant amount of political capital to get it done. They've put forward decriminalization, cannabis banking reform, etc legislation in the past and voted to pass them. They haven't shown the willingness to really go to the mat with Republicans over it (force them to actually filibuster instead of letting filibuster threats kill it, for example)
 
MindzEye said:
Do you really misunderstand the American system this badly?

If you can't get 60 votes in the Senate, you can't beat the filibuster. Even with control of both houses, you need some measure of cooperation from the minority party to get something through the Senate. Republicans have been using this to obstruct Democrat controlled Senate's for a few decades now, this isn't new.

Schumer, for all of his general uselessness, put forward a full decriminalization bill (CAOA) in 2021 while Democrats were in charge of both houses and couldn't get it through because Republicans said they would filibuster it. It didn't even make it to a vote because of that.
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They had the votes for SAFE banking. Confirmed. Done. But they decided to virtue signal their way out of actually accomplishing something

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I fear you are the one not quite comprehending how badly this was botched. Which is fine, it's not a very meaningful or important bill. But the fact that they couldn't even get that small win says a lot.
 
Senate leadership wanted to push a broader decriminalization bill rather than settle for something that didn't do anything other than support cannabis business. Schumer was clear about that from the onset. This was like the 6th or 7th time SAFE was put forward btw and it kept flopping, there was never going to be R support when the time came to vote, it was a stall tactic. It came up again in 2022 (in the lame duck session after the mid terms) and magically Mitch McConnell blocked it from getting slotted into the omnibus and the defence spending bills that were going to pass. McConnell was never going to allow R support for SAFE. This is fantasyland shit.
 
of course everything gets gamed in Trump land

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