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OT: American Politics

yes but europe and the rest of the world have already been put in a terrible position by all of trump's foreign policy - america itself has been using all the levers against europe, right out in the open.
 
CH1 said:
I think Trump inadvertently accelerated the green revolution. US is way behind China
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Said this at the beginning of this shit show and it's somehow become more true, and more immediately necessary since, but renewables are a national security imperative now. There's no other choice. Any government who doesn't see that deserves what they're going to get.
 
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zeke said:
yes but europe and the rest of the world have already been put in a terrible position by all of trump's foreign policy - america itself has been using all the levers against europe, right out in the open.
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This isn't about Trump mate, this is about the world after Trump.
 
This possibly helps the democratic world get back an America that has their backs again, instead of the legit enemy it's been to them for most of the last decade.
 
zeke said:
This possibly helps the world get back an America that has their backs again.
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But....it won't matter. There is nothing America can do to change this going forward, short of somehow managing to invade and overthrow Iran.

That's what I don't think you're getting man, this isn't going back. Iran (as a client of China) will maintain sovereign control of the world's most important energy route going forward. This is a permanently broken energy situation now where world energy supplies are a lever of Iranian and Chinese foreign policies. If your economy is sensitive to the price of anything that transits Hormuz, they have you by the throat in perpetuity.
 
The oil countries have already had the world economy in a chokehold for a long long time now.

I don't fear China and Iran trying to destroy the world's economy tbh.
 
CH1 said:
They have leverage. Don’t need to actually destroy anything.
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everyone has their own leverage and the west still has a ton - yes, this gives them much more, but China isn't run by idiots who think international trade is a zero sum game.

like what if china uses this leverage to end this assinine tarriff war?
 
zeke said:
The oil countries have already had the world economy in a chokehold for a long long time now.
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But, they were beholden to US foreign policy aims through their petro dollar agreements. That's part of what I'm saying. They were mostly in OPEC, and the Saudi's were the big force in OPEC. The Saudi's have been an American client since the 60's. American foreign policy has been "the spice must flow" and they were willing to deliver tomahawk missiles or sanctions to anyone in the region who threatened to get in the way of that.

zeke said:
I don't fear China and Iran trying to destroy the world's economy tbh.
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It's not about destroying the world economy, it's about choosing who gets access. It's about who has the power to sanction, and what those sanctions are. The Americans used that power for their own benefit (and the broader secondary benefit of "the west") for decades. A significant portion of that power just changed hands. China will also use it for their own benefit. For all of America's flaws, I'll take "American Interests" circa 1950-2010 over China's vision for the future of the world's politics, thanks.
 
zeke said:
everyone has their own leverage and the west still has a ton - yes, this gives them much more, but China isn't run by idiots who think international trade is a zero sum game.

like what if china uses this leverage to end this assinine tarriff war?
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and what if they use it to finish the job on Taiwan and take control of the most important industry on the planet?
 
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