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OT: American Politics

Does hopeychange cancelling the summit with Putin after he gave snowden asylum officially mean now that the "reset" with Russia was a fiasco? Can you people now admit that his signature policy of giving simpering speeches and hoping for goodwill in return is a disaster?

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Re: OT: Canadian Politics

Yeah, I wouldn't **** with the payscale for firefighters or cops too much.

teachers, on the other hand...
 
Re: OT: Canadian Politics

Any job that carries the risk of not coming home ever again deserves to be well paid.

Plus, if you start lowering the salaries of the essential services staff, they will go elsewhere, and you will end up with a lesser skilled force.

You get what you pay for.

That's more for cops than firefighters. I know a guy that works so little that he does roofing on the side and makes a whack of cash for basically sleeping at the firehouse.

Yep. And to be frank, I have zero problems with the firefighter wages. They have a dangerous job, even if it means sitting around a lot. When they do work, they work hard, unlike many other public servants with similar or better wages.
 
Re: OT: Canadian Politics

Absolutely.

Ontario - and all governments - simply need to get out of the business of guaranteed pensions.

Give people some additional money via a self-directed RRSP and move on. That way you have an exact amount of your annual liability and aren't playing the ponzi scheme game.

And it needs to happen today.

Better pensions would get my support as well. But i don't believe their wages are as big an overpayment as some others.
An interesting observation suits this point very well: what's the ratio of firemen to teachers posting here on FI all day?
Case and point.
 
Re: OT: Canadian Politics

Only five days ago? Your party should be embarrassed that they waited until five days ago to visit this question. He showed his true lack of brains in the last election run.

Are you really being this obtuse? There have been questions about his leadership for the past two years.
 
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I just really don't know why public servants of all stripes can't afford to save for their own retirement years?

They all make well above the Canadian average income. Pay for your own damn retirement.
 
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Danger pay is a tricky thing. Lots of jobs are dangerous.

My chosen career has me under 4000 pound hunks of metal held up by 4 posts that were positioned in a hurry for a big part of the day. And often dealing with electrical equipment and open flames in oil soaked clothing. And guiding barely-driveable vehicles around enclosed spaces... and test-driving cars that may or may not be about to fall apart... and and and, you get the idea. But there's no suggestion of auto technicians getting danger pay. Garbage truck operators (at least the ones on the back of the truck) are far more likely to die on the job than firemen, but most of us balk at the idea of a 100,000 dollar garbageman. Of course expertise comes in to that, but it's still clearly not a big part of the formula. Soldiers, of course, stand out as being massively underpaid, and really often live a similar lifestyle and workload to firefighters (lots of downtime but huge risks once in a while).


I think, in the case of firefighters, the question that needs to be studied is how far you could lower wages for a given reduction in effectiveness. If you could project for instance, that a 15% reduction in average salary would mean a 15% increase in 'preventable' deaths or injuries involving firefighter action or lack thereof, that's probably not worth it to most people. Where is that drop off? Is the drop off at a point in terms of savings where it's just not worth the hassle? What would that reduction in quality of service do to the related costs to the government? If 10% cheaper firemen use up 1000 dollars more equipment a year and response time is increased by 15 seconds on average, is that worth it?

Firefighters are really a weird case in that the individual firefighter, and probably even full fire stations, don't really 'do enough stuff that you could statistically analyze. You can check out a cop's conviction rate, who he arrests, how much mileage he puts on his car, etc. But if a firefighter only gets hands-on with 3-4 fires and 10 injuries a year, that's probably not something you can draw real conclusions from.
 
Re: OT: Canadian Politics

I have slight issue with fire compensation, mostly the retention pay most services give rention bonuses of 3, 6 and 9 at 8, 13 and 23 years of service.
 
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Are you really being this obtuse? There have been questions about his leadership for the past two years.

Right. That's why they stood so strongly behind him after McGuinty kicked his ass last election. I think you're the one being obtuse here.
 
Re: OT: Canadian Politics

No, you're being willfully idiotic here in an attempt to get a partisan shot in for no reason.

If you don't think that there have been numerous internal party discussions challenging Hudak's leadership position - and I know for a fact that such discussions have gone on (my father even corresponded with Frank Klees regarding this issue, to say nothing of my relationship with Irish) - then you are ignoring reality.

Hudak's leadership role has been a point of contention for many months now. The caucus isn't sitting down happily letting the poll numbers continue to stagnate with Tim in charge whilst doing nothing.
 
Re: OT: Canadian Politics

Danger pay is a tricky thing. Lots of jobs are dangerous.

My chosen career has me under 4000 pound hunks of metal held up by 4 posts that were positioned in a hurry for a big part of the day. And often dealing with electrical equipment and open flames in oil soaked clothing. And guiding barely-driveable vehicles around enclosed spaces... and test-driving cars that may or may not be about to fall apart... and and and, you get the idea. But there's no suggestion of auto technicians getting danger pay. Garbage truck operators (at least the ones on the back of the truck) are far more likely to die on the job than firemen, but most of us balk at the idea of a 100,000 dollar garbageman. Of course expertise comes in to that, but it's still clearly not a big part of the formula. Soldiers, of course, stand out as being massively underpaid, and really often live a similar lifestyle and workload to firefighters (lots of downtime but huge risks once in a while).


I think, in the case of firefighters, the question that needs to be studied is how far you could lower wages for a given reduction in effectiveness. If you could project for instance, that a 15% reduction in average salary would mean a 15% increase in 'preventable' deaths or injuries involving firefighter action or lack thereof, that's probably not worth it to most people. Where is that drop off? Is the drop off at a point in terms of savings where it's just not worth the hassle? What would that reduction in quality of service do to the related costs to the government? If 10% cheaper firemen use up 1000 dollars more equipment a year and response time is increased by 15 seconds on average, is that worth it?

Firefighters are really a weird case in that the individual firefighter, and probably even full fire stations, don't really 'do enough stuff that you could statistically analyze. You can check out a cop's conviction rate, who he arrests, how much mileage he puts on his car, etc. But if a firefighter only gets hands-on with 3-4 fires and 10 injuries a year, that's probably not something you can draw real conclusions from.

I hope for your sake you keep your mane tied up or out of harm's way so it doesn't get caught on something while you're working.

That's a truly prodigious set of locks you're sporting.

Excellent post by the way. The fact that it's so difficult to quantify individual firemen performance is what makes the whole issue so contentious. No one denies that they occasionally take tremendous personal risks, but at what point does the danger element intersect with economic reality? It's a tough question.
 
Re: OT: Canadian Politics

I hope for your sake you keep your mane tied up or out of harm's way so it doesn't get caught on something while you're working.

That's a truly prodigious set of locks you're sporting.

Excellent post by the way. The fact that it's so difficult to quantify individual firemen performance is what makes the whole issue so contentious. No one denies that they occasionally take tremendous personal risks, but at what point does the danger element intersect with economic reality? It's a tough question.

Ponytail and usually a hat does the job for safety, if not style. God help me when I get anything oil-based in it though...
 
Re: OT: Canadian Politics

No, you're being willfully idiotic here in an attempt to get a partisan shot in for no reason.

If you don't think that there have been numerous internal party discussions challenging Hudak's leadership position - and I know for a fact that such discussions have gone on (my father even corresponded with Frank Klees regarding this issue, to say nothing of my relationship with Irish) - then you are ignoring reality.

Hudak's leadership role has been a point of contention for many months now. The caucus isn't sitting down happily letting the poll numbers continue to stagnate with Tim in charge whilst doing nothing.

Yet, he still leads the party.
You can claim all manner of internal discussions until the cows come home. The voters, (you know, the people that actually matter?), still see the same idiot leading the way, and are loath to support the Tories because of it. That's MULTIPLE elections now where you've failed to gain any support.
That's the reality - and the only appearance that counts.
 
Re: OT: Canadian Politics

Erm, okay?

That's exactly why they're having internal discussions about replacing him. Thank you for validating my point. :lol
 
Re: OT: Canadian Politics

Keeping with the theme of public servants who are cheating the system...

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The RCMP alleges that Sen. Mike Duffy changed his banking address from Ontario to Prince Edward Island shortly after the Senate announced an internal audit of each senator’s primary residence.

New court documents filed Thursday show that the Mounties are seeking documents from Royal Bank and the Canadian Imperial Bank of Commerce for its investigation into the expense claims filed by Duffy.

Cpl. Greg Horton wants credit card statements from CIBC, and credit card and bank account statements from RBC. Horton is also requesting from RBC a mortgage application and, “a list of all address changes in relation to any account solely or jointly in the name of Michael (Mike) Duffy” registered to his Ottawa or P.E.I. homes.

Horton says a report from FINTRAC, Canada’s “finance intelligence unit” that operates independently of the federal government, shows Duffy changed his banking address “from an Ontario address to a P.E.I. address “on December 10, 2012.

“The date coincides with the timing of the December 6, 2012 Senate announcement of an internal audit pertaining to primary and secondary residency of all Senators,” Horton says.

Horton repeats his allegations in previous court filings that he believes Duffy “has committed Breach of Trust in relation to travel and housing expense claims, submitted in relation to his duties as a Canadian senator.”
 
Re: OT: Canadian Politics

Erm, okay?

That's exactly why they're having internal discussions about replacing him. Thank you for validating my point. :lol

What point? Oh, the one where I supposedly claimed there was no discussion? Why don't you quote me on that?
Oh... that's right... because nobody said it.
 
Re: OT: Canadian Politics

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Outspoken Ontario Ombudsman Andre Marin says a Durham police detective accused him of “being a card-carrying member of al-Qaeda” on Twitter after the ombudsman took sharp arm at police following the shooting death of Toronto teenager Sammy Yatim.

On Thursday, not long before Marin was going to announce an investigation into the province’s direction to police on de-escalating conflict situations, an anonymous Twitter account named “Joe Mayo” tweeted at the ombudsman’s account: “[Marin] is card member of Al Qaida.”

In all caps, the same account also tweeted that Marin was “a complete douche bag!”

“Why don’t you stick your big French nose up your ass instead of business where it doesn’t belong,” the tweet added.

At a news conference Thursday, Marin said he had not contacted police about the messages but included the police officer’s twitter handle when responding. He said he wasn’t sure what his next step would be but hoped police would take it from there.

“I think it’s quite deplorable for a police officer to tweet this kind of material over the Internet and I would hope for a more informed dialogue,” he said at the press conference.
Marin hit a nerve... the bulldogs are restless...
 
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