there are only so many times you can go to a bathhouse before it becomes nothing more than meaningless sex with strangers (allegedly)
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there are only so many times you can go to a bathhouse before it becomes nothing more than meaningless sex with strangers (allegedly)
JaysCyYoung
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People do alot of things not out of independent decision-making, but due to sub-conscious social conditioning that they are unaware of. When you actually look at things from a rational standpoint there are a lot of cultural customs and conventions that make little sense logically.
Engagement rings, for instance, are only a practice that have been around since the 1930s and that was primarily due to give the woman some financial security if the marriage ended (sell the gold and gems in the ring).
HabsAddict
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And you know this how?
hockeylover
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Yeah, I'd agree most people get married thinking it's going to last and believing in that sanctity. But to suggest people never marry for other reasons? Nah. Green cards, money, girl got knocked up. I don't think everyone's reasons are as pure as you're suggesting.
And even if they go into it believing in that sanctity, certainly more than enough people don't treat it as such when they're married. I guess as someone whose parents had a downright shitty relationship, I have a hard time with the whole "sanctity of marriage" line of reasoning. And quite frankly, if I believe marriage should be between a man and a woman only, then I just won't marry another woman.
JaysCyYoung
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I just now got invited to a wedding through text.
:lol
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hockeylover
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:lol
I have three this summer. It's going to cost me dearly in bachelorette/Jack and Jills/ugly bridesmaids dresses. Despite what surely looks like cynicism re: marriage, I admittedly am a sucker for weddings and I do hope to get married someday.
JaysCyYoung
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Weddings are fantastic fun most of the time.
I think the problem is that television and popular culture has engendered this "Bridezilla" factor that is so focused on the day and celebration itself rather than the realization that there is supposed to be decades of shared monotonous life following that excitement.
As any couple married for any substantial length of time will tell you, marriage is hard to maintain properly. It takes constant work and repair to function effectively. My parents are on their 28th year and they still have had their troubles like any other couple.
Too many people these days are flippant about the prospect and don't take it seriously.
I think the problem is that television and popular culture has engendered this "Bridezilla" factor that is so focused on the day and celebration itself rather than the realization that there is supposed to be decades of shared monotonous life following that excitement.
As any couple married for any substantial length of time will tell you, marriage is hard to maintain properly. It takes constant work and repair to function effectively. My parents are on their 28th year and they still have had their troubles like any other couple.
Too many people these days are flippant about the prospect and don't take it seriously.
Yeah, I'd agree most people get married thinking it's going to last and believing in that sanctity. But to suggest people never marry for other reasons? Nah. Green cards, money, girl got knocked up. I don't think everyone's reasons are as pure as you're suggesting.
And even if they go into it believing in that sanctity, certainly more than enough people don't treat it as such when they're married. I guess as someone whose parents had a downright shitty relationship, I have a hard time with the whole "sanctity of marriage" line of reasoning. And quite frankly, if I believe marriage should be between a man and a woman only, then I just won't marry another woman.
some get married for what we see as wrong reasons but if someone where to marry Jays for his money, who cares? Hell, anyone who marries Cork is doing it just for his money too
:couch
hockeylover
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I think this is absolutely true.
JaysCyYoung
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Hung like a Clydesdale.
You or Cork?
JaysCyYoung
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I can only speak for myself of course but I would expect a good Queen's man like cork to also be similarly fortunate.
I read that at first as "a good Queen like Cork"
JaysCyYoung
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:lol
Yeah I was worried about that use of wording.
Seriously though, people should take the prospect of marriage a lot more seriously and view it as the business transaction that it is. Or simply co-habitate with one another. If you believe that you are married in each other's eyes there's no need for the signing of a legal contract. Part of the problem too is that the greater number of sexual partners that people have these days has been scientifically shown to significantly decrease the bonding hormone prevalent in people, to the point that we are physiologically much less attached to our lovers than people were in the past.
The sexual revolution has had a damaging long-term impact in terms of the family unit and the stability of marriage from the standpoint of greatly increased numbers of lifetime sexual partners. That's good for some people but it's a recipe for disaster when it comes to a stable, productive, strong family unit.
Yeah I was worried about that use of wording.
Seriously though, people should take the prospect of marriage a lot more seriously and view it as the business transaction that it is. Or simply co-habitate with one another. If you believe that you are married in each other's eyes there's no need for the signing of a legal contract. Part of the problem too is that the greater number of sexual partners that people have these days has been scientifically shown to significantly decrease the bonding hormone prevalent in people, to the point that we are physiologically much less attached to our lovers than people were in the past.
The sexual revolution has had a damaging long-term impact in terms of the family unit and the stability of marriage from the standpoint of greatly increased numbers of lifetime sexual partners. That's good for some people but it's a recipe for disaster when it comes to a stable, productive, strong family unit.
hockeylover
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In an interview with ABC News’ Robin Roberts, the president described his thought process as an “evolution” that led him to this place, based on conversations with his own staff members, openly gay and lesbian service members, and conversations with his wife and own daughters.
"I have to tell you that over the course of several years as I have talked to friends and family and neighbors when I think about members of my own staff who are in incredibly committed monogamous relationships, same-sex relationships, who are raising kids together, when I think about those soldiers or airmen or marines or sailors who are out there fighting on my behalf and yet feel constrained, even now that Don't Ask Don't Tell is gone, because they are not able to commit themselves in a marriage, at a certain point I’ve just concluded that for me personally it is important for me to go ahead and affirm that I think same sex couples should be able to get married,” Obama told Roberts, in an interview to appear on ABC’s “Good Morning America” Thursday. Excerpts of the interview will air tonight on ABC’s “World News with Diane Sawyer.”
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“It’s interesting, some of this is also generational,” the president continued. “You know when I go to college campuses, sometimes I talk to college Republicans who think that I have terrible policies on the economy, on foreign policy, but are very clear that when it comes to same sex equality or, you know, believe in equality. They are much more comfortable with it. You know, Malia and Sasha, they have friends whose parents are same-sex couples. There have been times where Michelle and I have been sitting around the dinner table and we’re talking about their friends and their parents and Malia and Sasha, it wouldn’t dawn on them that somehow their friends’ parents would be treated differently. It doesn’t make sense to them and frankly, that’s the kind of thing that prompts a change in perspective.”
“This is something that, you know, we’ve talked about over the years and she, you know, she feels the same way, she feels the same way that I do. And that is that, in the end the values that I care most deeply about and she cares most deeply about is how we treat other people and, you know, I, you know, we are both practicing Christians and obviously this position may be considered to put us at odds with the views of others but, you know, when we think about our faith, the thing at root that we think about is, not only Christ sacrificing himself on our behalf, but it’s also the Golden Rule, you know, treat others the way you would want to be treated. And I think that’s what we try to impart to our kids and that’s what motivates me as president and I figure the most consistent I can be in being true to those precepts, the better I’ll be as a as a dad and a husband and hopefully the better I’ll be as president.”
http://news.yahoo.com/obama-announces-his-support-for-same-sex-marriage.html
"I have to tell you that over the course of several years as I have talked to friends and family and neighbors when I think about members of my own staff who are in incredibly committed monogamous relationships, same-sex relationships, who are raising kids together, when I think about those soldiers or airmen or marines or sailors who are out there fighting on my behalf and yet feel constrained, even now that Don't Ask Don't Tell is gone, because they are not able to commit themselves in a marriage, at a certain point I’ve just concluded that for me personally it is important for me to go ahead and affirm that I think same sex couples should be able to get married,” Obama told Roberts, in an interview to appear on ABC’s “Good Morning America” Thursday. Excerpts of the interview will air tonight on ABC’s “World News with Diane Sawyer.”
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“It’s interesting, some of this is also generational,” the president continued. “You know when I go to college campuses, sometimes I talk to college Republicans who think that I have terrible policies on the economy, on foreign policy, but are very clear that when it comes to same sex equality or, you know, believe in equality. They are much more comfortable with it. You know, Malia and Sasha, they have friends whose parents are same-sex couples. There have been times where Michelle and I have been sitting around the dinner table and we’re talking about their friends and their parents and Malia and Sasha, it wouldn’t dawn on them that somehow their friends’ parents would be treated differently. It doesn’t make sense to them and frankly, that’s the kind of thing that prompts a change in perspective.”
“This is something that, you know, we’ve talked about over the years and she, you know, she feels the same way, she feels the same way that I do. And that is that, in the end the values that I care most deeply about and she cares most deeply about is how we treat other people and, you know, I, you know, we are both practicing Christians and obviously this position may be considered to put us at odds with the views of others but, you know, when we think about our faith, the thing at root that we think about is, not only Christ sacrificing himself on our behalf, but it’s also the Golden Rule, you know, treat others the way you would want to be treated. And I think that’s what we try to impart to our kids and that’s what motivates me as president and I figure the most consistent I can be in being true to those precepts, the better I’ll be as a as a dad and a husband and hopefully the better I’ll be as president.”
http://news.yahoo.com/obama-announces-his-support-for-same-sex-marriage.html
hockeylover
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It's my understanding that Amendment One would not recognize any type of common-law/domestic partnership other than marriage. So that'd affect even prescription drug coverage, health benefits, etc for even straight, common law couples. Maybe someone can confirm that...
I think civil unions are no longer recognized in North Carolina after this bill.
worm
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a) our wedding was a blast
b) my wife is a perfectionist so I thought for sure she was going to freak out at some point and it is the screw ups that are the best memories...like my wife calling everybody nazis (to a room full of germans)
c) nothing beats proposing at a bus stop
Bleedsblue&white
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In case you missed it, "up a vagina"...yes?
Idiot. Nobody was stupid enough to think you meant that Stewart did it...only you would be stupid enough to think that...but there is just a tiny difference between a picture over a woman's crotch vs oh...a crucifix inside her.
Which is what you figured, without checking the facts for yourself.