OT: American Politics

[Wayward DP]

wrong. absolutely wrong. i can honestly understand why some would support gay marriage and they aren't "intolerant" for doing so. i disagree with them, but that doesnt make them intolerant.

i accuse people of being intolerant when they say the virgin mary was a whore, that religious people are all stupid f*cking zombies, and that 1.4 billion indians are savages because they mostly don't like gay marriage and they don't use toilet paper.

Well... that's an entirely different debate, and a sideshow to the whole gay marriage thing.

And for the record, ME has already said he's not tolerant of religious zealots. And you're completely and utterly missing the point on the Indians.

You're also doing a good job of lumping in deliberate hyperbole and sarcasm with serious points... it's disingenuous not to separate the two. But I think you know this.

 

[JaysCyYoung]

who's deflecting? the person calling me a stupid mindless zombie for being religious, or the person calling the virgin mary a whore, or me, for calling out people who do that as being "intolerant"?

You're deflecting again.

i think the answer there is pretty clear.

Yeah, it's the crazy old religious bigot trying to rally against equal rights for all people.

 

[theREALkoreaboy]

In four decades that's exactly how you will be viewed by history. Exactly.

in the words of st.ronny, "there you go again".

you apparently have the future all figured out, dont you? you're such a smug bastard you've convinced yourself you know what the world will be like 40 years from now.

 

[JaysCyYoung]

There is no Saint Ronny.

Some Catholic you are. Can't even get your Saints correct.

 

[JaysCyYoung]

you apparently have the future all figured out, dont you? you're such a smug bastard you've convinced yourself you know what the world will be like 40 years from now.

It's not that difficult to figure out that with the amount of repulsiveness most young people have towards those who want to consistently oppress minority groups like homosexuals that the future population will view those who led the charge against equal rights with scorn and derision.

 

[theREALkoreaboy]

And for the record, ME has already said he's not tolerant of religious zealots. And you're completely and utterly missing the point on the Indians.

oh, ok then. if he ADMITS to being intolerant of religious people, and as long as he still supports the true secular religion of gay marriage, he's ok. but dammit, if you support traditional marriage, you're scum.

and no, i'm not missing the point on indians. i pointed out (quite rightly) that a big, big majority of the world's population, especially those outside N.A, would be against gay marriage. in response, many of you mocked indians and pointed out how stupid and backwards they were. i got the point. those people were congratulating themselves on being tolerant, progressive westerners who supported gay marriage, while the savage indians didnt.

 

[leafman101]

Yeah Jays come on, gays aren't the equivalent of blacks. They are 2/5ths of a person.

 

[JaysCyYoung]

My greatest solace is the fact that knowing that when kb dies he will have to face the fact that one of his strongest-held convictions is going to change against him and he can do nothing about it as he goes into the great unknown powerless to alter the opinions of the masses.

 

[hockeylover]

in the words of st.ronny, "there you go again".

you apparently have the future all figured out, dont you? you're such a smug bastard you've convinced yourself you know what the world will be like 40 years from now.

You, yourself pointed out that a large number of people who support gay marriage are part of the younger generation. Not sure why you find it smug to suggest that in 40 years those 18-30 year olds and their children will make up the majority of the world and they'll likely instill their children with the same beliefs.

 

[theREALkoreaboy]

if that's "your greatest solace", your life is pretty pathetic, jcy.

 

[JaysCyYoung]

oh, ok then. if he ADMITS to being intolerant of religious people, and as long as he still supports the true secular religion of gay marriage, he's ok. but dammit, if you support traditional marriage, you're scum.

and no, i'm not missing the point on indians. i pointed out (quite rightly) that a big, big majority of the world's population, especially those outside N.A, would be against gay marriage. in response, many of you mocked indians and pointed out how stupid and backwards they were. i got the point. those people were congratulating themselves on being tolerant, progressive westerners who supported gay marriage, while the savage indians didnt.

It's a matter of education.

In big Indian cities like Calcutta and Madras and New Delhi there are massive gay communities. It's just not accepted in the boonies, just like how in NC all of the university towns filled with educated people were supportive of gay marriage and the rural redneck areas with minimal education were against it.

 

[JaysCyYoung]

if that's "your greatest solace", your life is pretty pathetic, jcy.

Gays can marry and have it called marriage and it destroys your soul inside. I love it.

 

[theREALkoreaboy]

You, yourself pointed out that a large number of people who support gay marriage are part of the younger generation. Not sure why you find it smug to suggest that in 40 years those 18-30 year olds and their children will make up the majority of the world

no. no they won't. 18-30 year old westerners will make up nowhere NEAR "the majority of the world" in 40 years.

 

[mbow30]

I heard an argument on the radio today. I don't agree or disagree with it, just want to put it forward here.

The person claimed that gay citizens have the same rights as straight ones. All Canadians have the same right to marry a person of the opposite sex as long as they aren't immediate family and a consenting adult. All Canadians also have the same right to NOT marry someone of the opposite sex as long as they aren't immediate family and a consenting adult.

So whats the debate all about? No one group is getting more or less rights than another.

it fundamentally misconstrues how rights and freedoms are granted in canada.

the constitution doesn't enshrine a bunch of freedoms TO do things, but give us freedom FROM state interference (and circumscribes those freedoms in some situations). it grants certain rights (i.e. aboriginal right to self government), but those are separate from freedoms.

in permitting gay marriage the courts didn't rule that the constitution grants freedom to marry whomever you like. it has ruled that a religious-informed and gender-based interpretation of 'marriage' infringes on our freedom of religion.

so the person doesn't understand the constitution.

 

[hockeylover]

oh, ok then. if he ADMITS to being intolerant of religious people, and as long as he still supports the true secular religion of gay marriage, he's ok. but dammit, if you support traditional marriage, you're scum.

and no, i'm not missing the point on indians. i pointed out (quite rightly) that a big, big majority of the world's population, especially those outside N.A, would be against gay marriage. in response, many of you mocked indians and pointed out how stupid and backwards they were. i got the point. those people were congratulating themselves on being tolerant, progressive westerners who supported gay marriage, while the savage indians didnt.

I would imagine religion would be a major reason people in India would not support gay marriage. And I think it's just stupid and backwards as when North American Christians don't.

 

[theREALkoreaboy]

It's a matter of education.

In big Indian cities like Calcutta and Madras and New Delhi there are massive gay communities. It's just not accepted in the boonies, just like how in NC all of the university towns filled with educated people were supportive of gay marriage and the rural redneck areas with minimal education were against it.

sneering, arrogant condescension. only rednecks in the boonies and those with minimal education can disagree with you and support traditional marriage.

 

[MapleLeafBlueJayBoy]

JP Morgan lost 2 billion dollars. Cannot account for it. Yup, banks should be deregulated because they clearly can handle themselves. Noticed Mitt is steering clear of this issue.

 

[Wayward DP]

oh, ok then. if he ADMITS to being intolerant of religious people, and as long as he still supports the true secular religion of gay marriage, he's ok. but dammit, if you support traditional marriage, you're scum.

and no, i'm not missing the point on indians. i pointed out (quite rightly) that a big, big majority of the world's population, especially those outside N.A, would be against gay marriage. in response, many of you mocked indians and pointed out how stupid and backwards they were. i got the point. those people were congratulating themselves on being tolerant, progressive westerners who supported gay marriage, while the savage indians didnt.

The majority supporting discriminatory policies against a minority doesn't make those policies any better. I don't see how this helps bolster your argument at all. The majority has been wrong before, and will be wrong again. I don't really think we need to re-hash civil rights debates, women's rights, etc. to show this. That's the point.

Majority support =/= good policy.

And again, you're attributing positions to people that they simply haven't taken. People aren't calling you scum because you support traditional marriage.

 

[theREALkoreaboy]

Gays can marry and have it called marriage and it destroys your soul inside. I love it.

i guess you have to get your made-up, fictional "victories" where you can get them, eh jcy? i'm very happily married. i am a very lucky man who is financially secure and with healthy active children. i have a good career that i enjoy. i am highly educated, very well-traveled, and well-read. you'll just have to take my word for it when i tell you gay marriage doesn't "destroy my soul inside".

 

[hockeylover]

only rednecks in the boonies and those with minimal education can disagree with you and support traditional marriage.

Pretty much.