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OT: American Politics

The only ones being selfish here are the ones trying to dictate what people do with their lives because they are different from you.

The people fighting for the rights of others to be protected are the opposite of selfish.

There is no debate to be had on that. If you tell two gay people that they can't get married because YOU don't agree with it YOU are selfish. No one else. End of story.

But keep on living in the stoneage you neanderthal.
 
sigh. I AM NOT trying to dictate to anyone what they should do with their lives. i have said about a thousand times now that "the gays" should feel free to live out their lives with whomever they choose to and be happy just like anyone else can.

however, i have argued against their demands to change the definition of a social and human institution that has served our species well for a very, very long time. i am not arguing against their right to be happy. i am arguing against their (selfish) insistence that the state and the church label their relationships they way that THEY demand it to be labelled, in a way that fundamentally changes what that institution was designed to be in the first place.
 
Yeah exactly. YOU don't want things to change because YOU don't agree with it, and in doing so YOU are trampling on the rights of others. That is selfish. There is no other word that describes it better.
 
Why does anyone care if gays get married or not?

They are probably better suited for marriage because they will never have to attempt to co-exist with the opposite sex.

Equality is equality. There shouldn't be special rules for closet homophobes to hide behind.

Other species on planet earth are doing just fine without getting married.

Except the dinosaurs I guess. If only they'd married each other...
 
The idea I gave you (to end your existence) doesn't come from me.... comes from my church.

So this isn't a question of ME not considering all life to be important, it's my church.

I'm just not selfish as some here. What I think and know and SAY is because of my church, its called COMMUNITY BELIEF. Sure I don't know if any of it is true but the one thing I do know is that the BIBLE was written by god..so yeah. You anti-religious people don't have a common belief. I mean are you suggesting to me that people's individual ideas, through sharing that idea with others, careful discussion, and using their knowledge, logic, can become common beliefs in the community just like the churches? lmao




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again, please mods, another cleanup here.
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theREALkoreaboy said:
sigh. I AM NOT trying to dictate to anyone what they should do with their lives. i have said about a thousand times now that "the gays" should feel free to live out their lives with whomever they choose to and be happy just like anyone else can.

however, i have argued against their demands to change the definition of a social and human institution that has served our species well for a very, very long time. i am not arguing against their right to be happy. i am arguing against their (selfish) insistence that the state and the church label their relationships they way that THEY demand it to be labelled, in a way that fundamentally changes what that institution was designed to be in the first place.
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No, no. You keep saying this.

Just the ****ing state. Not the church. The church can do whatever they want.
 
theREALkoreaboy said:
no, it isnt. its not. it most certainly is NOT ridiculous. you point to change in the "last 20 years" as if to say that that kind of change has never happened before, is entirely separate from changes that came before it, and is automatically superior than anything that came before. when you become more familiar with the wide sweep of history you see how things move in ebbs and flows, sometimes in the right direction sometimes in the wrong direction, but that beliefs and institutions that go fundamentally against human nature inevitably fall away, often times to pop up again in the future in some other form only to be cast aside again.
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Do you receive vaccinations?

but never before have more human beings been more selfish and as arrogant and as smug about their own ability to perceive what's right and just and moral as we are now.
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theREALkoreaboy said:
i think it should be clear by now that supporting the traditional definition of marriage does NOT mean "denying people their happiness". i have argued repeatedly now that "the gays" should feel entirely free to have relationships, love each other, live with each other, do whatever they want to each other, spend their lives with each other, and support each other emotionally and financially. those relationships though are not "marriages" because by definition they cannot fulfill the primary function of what traditional marriage was designed to do.
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You still have repeatedly ignored those people who enter into marriages for the purpose of love, not to produce children, or those who are unable to do so such as the impotent or infertile. Do they not have "real" marriages?

if there are people who actually "can't be happy" unless they force religions and the state to call their relationship what they want it to be called, i think that's ridiculous.
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For the whiny lefties.....

obama is going to "tax the rich", some of the smartest people on the planet......and they are just going to sit there and give it to the community organizer......

Good luck with that.

Facebook Co-Founder Saverin Gives Up U.S. Citizenship Before IPO

Eduardo Saverin, the billionaire co- founder of Facebook Inc. (FB), renounced his U.S. citizenship before an initial public offering that values the social network at as much as $96 billion, a move that may reduce his tax bill.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-...erin-gives-up-u-s-citizenship-before-ipo.html
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Smart move. I would have done the same thing -- you can always get it back later and it doesn't mean you're not still an American (he was born there).
 
The last figures I saw had Obama ahead 53-42 nationally and with key leads in the swing states (46-45 in Florida, 50-45 in Ohio, 54-40 in Colorado, and 47-39 in Pennsylvania).
 
Well Jays you must be mistaken because clearly the red squiggly line is higher than the blue squiggly line, so therefore Romney, who his own party doesn't even want, is obviously going to win the Presidency.

How can you argue with the squiggly line graph?

It's not like Obama has got shit done or anything. Or like he inherited the biggest mess in history.
 
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