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OT: American Politics

hockeylover said:
Guess it could be nothing. People pointing out the top 3 shareholders in the Russian bank were all from Kentucky, that the fund invested a couple months after Trump’s inauguration and that Mitch and Rand Paul pushed for sanctions to be lifted on Rosal the oligarch that was CEO of the bank.
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this is an institution with a half a trillion in assets.

there's no way that's a list of its biggest shareholders.
 
Stinky said:
I feel terrible for the teachers. They likely didn't vote the same way their money managers did...
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this isn't some hack investment in a sketchy backwater bank in a a far off place in the world..

the bank has international presence (including in the US) and $40+bn in revenues a year.
 
ShareholdersPJSC Sberbank (RU0009029540)Sberbank (RU0009029557)Sberbank (US)
NameEquities%
Government of Russia11,293,474,00052.3%
The Vanguard Group, Inc.329,287,5521.53%
Norges Bank Investment Management193,015,5560.89%
GQG Partners LLC192,396,0620.89%
BlackRock Fund Advisors182,636,0830.85%
APG Asset Management NV156,679,0850.73%
Invesco Advisers, Inc.103,880,2640.48%
JPMorgan Asset Management (UK) Ltd.94,263,5070.44%
Orbis Investment Management Ltd.88,962,1160.41%
Thornburg Investment Management, Inc.84,195,0000.39%
 
mbow30 said:
this is an institution with a half a trillion in assets.

there's no way that's a list of its biggest shareholders.
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biggest is besides the point, really.

a money trail directly between russian oligarchs and american politicians would be something.
 
zeke said:
biggest is besides the point, really.

a money trail directly between russian oligarchs and american politicians would be something.
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Would anyone care?

I think these are true conservatives in the sense that they want a monarchy and hereditary wealth to be enshrined and protected as it was in England. They want to roll back the clocks about a thousand years. They truly are the allies of al-Qaeda.
 
Thanks for that list. Seems that part of the tweet was false.

I do think given the Rand Paul delivering letters from Trump to Putin, Paul and McConnell encouraging lifting of sanctions on certain Kremlin backed oligarchs, and the Russian interference in 2016, any investments Kentucky’s making in Russia should be gone over with a fine toothed comb but getting facts wrong is a poor way to do it.
 
hockeylover said:
The world is so so fucked if he gets re-elected.
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A couple legit polls released today show a big spike in Biden's approval, as high as 47% (8 point jump),....which i was expecting for a few reasons...

1. rally around the flag against russia, true, but also...
2. uniting the whole world behind these massive sanctions definitely reflects well on Joe
3. GOP faceplanting with their pro-putin schtick
4. the sanctions actually give cover for high gas prices
5. covid restrictions are being relaxed everywhere, making life more enjoyable and also making people less scared of covid (rightly or wrongly)
6. the economy is akshually good, as the boffo jobs report today shows
 
Stinky said:
Would anyone care?

I think these are true conservatives in the sense that they want a monarchy and hereditary wealth to be enshrined and protected as it was in England. They want to roll back the clocks about a thousand years. They truly are the allies of al-Qaeda.
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hey i didn't say conservatives. i said politicians. im sure some dems are on the payroll too.

and yeah, with what Putin is doing now and the way some politicians are trying to pretend they are anti-putin and anti-oligarch now......if we can establish a fairly clear paper trail i do think enough people would care.
 
zeke said:
A couple legit polls released today show a big spike in Biden's approval, as high as 47% (8 point jump),....which i was expecting for a few reasons...

1. rally around the flag against russia, true, but also...
2. uniting the whole world behind these massive sanctions definitely reflects well on Joe
3. GOP faceplanting with their pro-putin schtick
4. the sanctions actually give cover for high gas prices
5. covid restrictions are being relaxed everywhere, making life more enjoyable and also making people less scared of covid (rightly or wrongly)
6. the economy is akshually good, as the boffo jobs report today shows
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usually facts are not so linked to popular opinion though, so this is a nice change!
 
hockeylover said:
The world is so so fucked if he gets re-elected.
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Yes...but....

Europe seems to have woken up from it's slumber. This memory of Vlad's fuckery will hang over EU and Nato meetings for at least a decade. If a Trumpist US were to pull out of Nato, I don't think it would 1) Catch Europe by surprise & 2) Be remotely the same Europe that it would have happened to had Trump just said fuck it and done it in 2018. The West got lazy, I don't see that being a state that we return back to for a long time, US leadership or no.

Taiwan...could potentially be fucked if Trump wins in 2024, but I think Vlad is going to be in such a world of hurt by then (decimated military capability that no one is really afraid of, and incredibly hollowed out economy, major domestic problems, etc), that the consequences of Trump in Europe just won't be the same. Europe is a nuclear power unto themselves, as the previous idea that Russia was the military power of the continent has proven to be an outright fabrication, and there's no money to rebuild coming any time soon. France-Germany-UK-Turkey-Sweden would be way too much for Russia to deal with.

American leadership is important because the douchebags of the world know that tangling with them is an instant L, but the philosophical importance of American leadership is that it's a democratic nation setting the world agenda. Europe doesn't carry the same stick, but in their own backyard I think they'll be able to manage fine going forward, US leadership or no.
 
Seems Russia's unlikely to be in a position to offer him the same kind of assistance they did in 2016 again at least.

Also seems like Marc Elias and co. have been killing it lately with the gerrymandering map lawsuits.
 
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