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OT: American Politics

manny said:
Just insane.

Not usually a fan of the slippery slope argument, but it’s a fine line between this type of shit and a return to separate but equal/Jim Crow era laws.
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So I'm kinda torn here....

Laws like this are obviously, obviously reprehensible. But these southern states are going to keep fucking around until they find exactly as far as they can go before they lose supreme court challenges...and that line moves further and further with a stacked court obviously.

But there is a pressure relief valve built into the American system for this shit. States Rights. I'd like to see more direct competition between states for citizens and more direct monetary support for people who want to pick up and move to where they're accepted and welcome. The south wants to become a repressive christian shit show? Cool, let them deal with the demographic time bomb that is and entice the unwanted (and those uncomfortable enough with this repression) to relocate (at little or no cost to themselves) to other states that aren't interested in this repression.
 
MindzEye said:
So I'm kinda torn here....

Laws like this are obviously, obviously reprehensible. But these southern states are going to keep fucking around until they find exactly as far as they can go before they lose supreme court challenges...and that line moves further and further with a stacked court obviously.

But there is a pressure relief valve built into the American system for this shit. States Rights. I'd like to see more direct competition between states for citizens and more direct monetary support for people who want to pick up and move to where they're accepted and welcome. The south wants to become a repressive christian shit show? Cool, let them deal with the demographic time bomb that is and entice the unwanted (and those uncomfortable enough with this repression) to relocate (at little or no cost to themselves) to other states that aren't interested in this repression.
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Wouldn’t more folks that like this kinda stuff and moving to Florida, Georgia etc and voting Republican actually be pretty bad from a Presidential election standpoint?
 
hockeylover said:
Wouldn’t more folks that like this kinda stuff and moving to Florida, Georgia etc and voting Republican actually be pretty bad from a Presidential election standpoint?
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Depends on where they're moving from. If they're moving from Penn, Ohio, NC, Virginia, Wisc, etc. No, the opposite.

Right now one of the largest democrat problems is how gerrymandered battleground states are. Shed a significant amount of true believers to the south (which is already pretty solidly Republican) and you turn current battleground states into Dem fortresses that get large enough wins (at all levels) to undo a lot of the baked in bullshit the Republicans have been doing for the last 20 years.

Other than something of a fluke in Georgia, Democrats got swept out of the south...how much worse can it get for them down there? Turn the US South into our version of Alberta-Sask. If all of the Republicans move to jesus land and they're winning a steady 80% of the vote across the board down there...fuck'em, let them live in their perpetual state of minority rage and make memes about rising again.
 
MindzEye said:
Depends on where they're moving from. If they're moving from Penn, Ohio, NC, Virginia, Wisc, etc. No, the opposite.

Right now one of the largest democrat problems is how gerrymandered battleground states are. Shed a significant amount of true believers to the south (which is already pretty solidly Republican) and you turn current battleground states into Dem fortresses that get large enough wins (at all levels) to undo a lot of the baked in bullshit the Republicans have been doing for the last 20 years.

Other than something of a fluke in Georgia, Democrats got swept out of the south...how much worse can it get for them down there? Turn the US South into our version of Alberta-Sask. If all of the Republicans move to jesus land and they're winning a steady 80% of the vote across the board down there...fuck'em, let them live in their perpetual state of minority rage and make memes about rising again.
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Suppose you’re right logistics wise, although ceding swaths of the country to the American Taliban is really gonna fuck people who can’t just up and move.
 
hockeylover said:
Suppose you’re right logistics wise, although ceding swaths of the country to the American Taliban is really gonna fuck people who can’t just up and move.
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They already hold the territory and are entrenching their rule. I'm just recognizing that as true and suggesting to save what can be saved. Focus on providing support to those who want to move. Allowing Republicans to gerrymander their way to permanent 53-47 power in just enough states is the worst case scenario and it's where this is heading without a change of tactics.
 
MindzEye said:
So I'm kinda torn here....

Laws like this are obviously, obviously reprehensible. But these southern states are going to keep fucking around until they find exactly as far as they can go before they lose supreme court challenges...and that line moves further and further with a stacked court obviously.

But there is a pressure relief valve built into the American system for this shit. States Rights. I'd like to see more direct competition between states for citizens and more direct monetary support for people who want to pick up and move to where they're accepted and welcome. The south wants to become a repressive christian shit show? Cool, let them deal with the demographic time bomb that is and entice the unwanted (and those uncomfortable enough with this repression) to relocate (at little or no cost to themselves) to other states that aren't interested in this repression.
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I’m not cynical enough to clearly see the upside of this type of abuse and oppression legislated into being. It may be great on some level if everyone mature and enlightened enough just got out of Florida (or whatever oppressive backwater does this next) but in reality most people don’t have that kind of freedom of mobility and/or may want to stay where they are and fight for what they believe in. This just gives government backing and sign-off to all kinds of persecution.
 
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