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OTTAWA — Sen. Pamela Wallin‘s decision to regularly break up her trips between Ottawa and Saskatchewan by staying overnight in Toronto is the main focus of a lengthy audit of her travel expenses to be released next week.

The audit will outline whether that travel pattern added significant extra costs to taxpayers for flights, as well as taxis to and from a Toronto condominium she has owned for years — costs she arguably would not have incurred had she taken one continuous trip to Saskatchewan from the nation’s capital.
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Duffy.
Harb.
Wallin... there's so many of them...
 
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Here... this is why we pay our firefighters so well: to prevent this:
NAIROBI — Officials in Kenya investigating the massive airport fire that gutted the arrival hall at Nairobi’s main airport said Thursday that first responders looted electronics, a bank and an ATM during and after the blaze.

The officials said first responders stole electronics and money from an ATM. Another official said that police guarding the site overnight attempted to a take a safe from a bank in the burned-out arrivals hall, which also houses several foreign currency exchange shops.

All four officials who described the alleged looting are close to the investigation. They insisted on anonymity because they weren’t authorized to share the information before the investigation is complete.
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IrishWolfman said:
Trust me, this has been bubbling under the surface for a while.
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NIAGARA FALLS — Progressive Conservative Leader Tim Hudak says he’s sorry for botching the last election — and party members have accepted his apology.

Hudak garnered 78.7 per cent support from the party faithful on Saturday in a leadership review vote held after he concluded a feisty mea culpa speech to 1,600 delegates.

Sat Feb 11 2012
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Talk is cheap.
 
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There weren't significant internal party uprisings after the 2011 election? I should know given that I was privy to the legions of pissed off Tories.

The fact that a lot of people sucked it up and were willing to give him the benefit of the doubt four months later in order to demonstrate a united front doesn't mean that such insurrection wasn't considered.

So yeah, your lack of context is bullshit and intentional obfuscation of reality.
 
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blacksheep said:
Here... this is why we pay our firefighters so well: to prevent this:

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My issue isn't their wage, we just don't need so many of them.

Plus I'm fairly certain the combined incomes of all the first responders who looted was less than the income of one firefighter here in Ontario.
 
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blacksheep said:
Legions of them. Almost 20%...
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20% is a massive amount at a period in time with zero credible alternative leadership candidates available to the party faithful. Supporting the leader publicly and giving the impression of a united, cohesive front was the politically sound move to make. And I know for a fact many of the delegates held their noses for the sake of party unity and voted against their feelings with that principle in mind.
 
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voyager said:
My issue isn't their wage, we just don't need so many of them.
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I could see the Captains and higher rank ones making $100G easily. Perhaps the "grunts" could be lowered to around $70G - still high enough to attract good candidates, but lower than it is now. Saving $30G per firefighter would save a ton of money for the Province as well.

voyager said:
Plus I'm fairly certain the combined incomes of all the first responders who looted was less than the income of one firefighter here in Ontario.
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... and at the same time, several times the wages they get over there now.
 
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JaysCyYoung said:
20% is a massive amount at a period in time with zero credible alternative leadership candidates available to the party faithful. Supporting the leader publicly and giving the impression of a united, cohesive front was the politically sound move to make. And I know for a fact many of the delegates held their noses for the sake of party unity and voted against their feelings with that principle in mind.
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Wow. What utter bullshit.
Almost 80% support in February of 2012.
You Tories should be EMBARRASSED supporting that moron. And your spinning of your points with me puts you in KB territory. Congratulations on putting your full support behind a person that Ontario has told you several times now they would not support.
 
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You got me.

You obviously know more about the internal workings of the party than I do. Clearly you know much more. I mean, it's not like I actually talk with these people and am privy to all of the internal information through contacts such as one of my best friends who actually does this for a living, or my local MPP, and the local riding association.

You win obviously. The infallible blacksheep has deemed it thusly.
 
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JaysCyYoung said:
There weren't significant internal party uprisings after the 2011 election? I should know given that I was privy to the legions of pissed off Tories.

The fact that a lot of people sucked it up and were willing to give him the benefit of the doubt four months later in order to demonstrate a united front doesn't mean that such insurrection wasn't considered.

So yeah, your lack of context is bullshit and intentional obfuscation of reality.
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LEGIONS OF THEM! 20% of the party!
 
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blacksheep said:
LEGIONS OF THEM! 20% of the party!
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What part of the fact that members were told to hold their nose and vote for Tim for the sake of party unity are you not getting here? There was no credible alternative and it would have looked disastrous in the public eye to see Hudak repudiated publicly.
 
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JaysCyYoung said:
You got me.

You obviously know more about the internal workings of the party than I do. Clearly you know much more. I mean, it's not like I actually talk with these people and am privy to all of the internal information through contacts such as one of my best friends who actually does this for a living, or my local MPP, and the local riding association.

You win obviously. The infallible blacksheep has deemed it thusly.
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What was that you said on Canadiens board when I stated you should defer to us re Subban because unlike fans of other teams, we actually watch all our games? Didn't you call it some kind of fallacy?

Now you might know more than Blacksheep, I don't know, but it does seem the same fallacy would apply here n'est ce pas?
 
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TheCountofMonteCristo said:
What was that you said on Canadiens board when I stated you should defer to us re Subban because unlike fans of other teams, we actually watch all our games? Didn't you call it some kind of fallacy?

Now you might know more than Blacksheep, I don't know, but it does seem the same fallacy would apply here n'est ce pas?
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No, it's not even remotely comparable to being the same situation. You're comparing a situation where two parties have equivalent access to information to a situation where one party has confidential access to data and the other doesn't.

It's imbalanced to start with.
 
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JaysCyYoung said:
What part of the fact that members were told to hold their nose and vote for Tim for the sake of party unity are you not getting here? There was no credible alternative and it would have looked disastrous in the public eye to see Hudak repudiated publicly.
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No credible alternative? Then you have more to be embarrassed about than I originally meant.
As for looking disastrous, check the election results. The two "most hated" parties earned four of the available five in the by-election.
THAT is the very definition of disastrous.
 
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